Quote (FinalTidus21 @ Jun 4 2022 07:06am)

Hey there,

I used to be very anti religion because I don’t like being told things exist without any scientific evidence. However, I have slowly come around to seeing the value of religion. I was reading some posts to see what level of sophistication people are trying to grapple with and it usually seems to center around negativity and doubt, but I think that’s because people are taking the story to be literally true.

I sum it up like this. We play video games. We play different classes. When we play different games and different classes we are fitting ourselves inside of a fake situation with a fake set of rules, but people still play it because sometimes it brings them happiness.

That’s what religion is for people. It’s a sort of role playing placebo effect which has as much of an effect on the real world as the placebo effect. Not all people are the same and some need a role to play because figuring everything out on their own is too overwhelming of a burden. I assume most nerds here can’t run 10 miles, just like some people can’t do math. And since people are born different and some find the world hard to navigate or explain, giving them a narrative to their life that all their suffering is not in vein, is somewhere along the lines of what is really going on with religion imo.

People who think they got the medicine for n a double blind trial literally get better by merely believing they are. God has to do with a placebo effect of lowering suffering and anxiety. When you experience anxiety, it’s terrible, a lot less terrible than believing the God narrative, but believing the God narrative can have a placebo like effect in lowering their suffering.

We like drugs cuz they make us feel good. Well so is religion. Religion is making people feel good like a placebo drug. Our world has advanced heavily in one direction of our mind, our logos, and we left the wisdom of our ethos and pathos behind. Religion is filling that void until something better comes along.

Just look how we treat each other. We treat each other like garbage, absolute trash. That’s because we’re surrounded by fruit born from our one direction of advancement. To advance the world, we don’t just need weapons and logos, we need compassion and morality, something I do not see being taught in school or anywhere else.

Just my two cents.

Quote (TiStuff @ Jun 4 2022 09:10am)

u think your from a monkey?

Quote (FinalTidus21 @ Jun 4 2022 07:19am)

Yea I do. Not specifically a monkey, and I can’t say what anyone else is experiencing, but my experience leads me to believe that we probably evolved from a chimp like ancestor and a bonobo type ancestor.

I have absolutely no idea though, it gets complicated and time consuming and I just don’t have enough resources to be certain of any of these things. I’m too busy with kids and real things to do that my time spent pondering is minimal.

Quote (El1te @ Jun 4 2022 09:44am)

stoned ape theory is true

psychoactive plants were placed on earth by God so that monkeys could become humans in His image

Quote (FinalTidus21 @ Jun 4 2022 07:56am)

Hey if that's what you believe and it makes you do good things in life then have at it brother. By why stop there? Why not say stoned water ape theory is true?

These are all funny stories and entertaining shows to watch on TV (primary goal of them is to produce ad revenue or clicks). However, Being 34 now, I saw 99% of your comment 20 years ago and 100 other times since. It was funny then but for me nowadays it's like eh, wish you coulda mentioned a funny theory that hasn't been dried out by now. It used to be what was on the internet eventually makes its way into mainstream. Now, with the internet being mainstream, I've noticed the trend reverse. Main stream things make it to the internet and make us more alike since we've all heard see the Alien History Channel and JRE.

Quote (El1te @ Jun 4 2022 09:59am)

Honestly, it's not just a fun theory for me - I'm a lay theologian and doctorate of chemistry.

It's quite clear that the enhanced state of consciousness imparted by psilocybin and other psychedelics was the evolutionary impetus behind the development of the brain, and the invention of language & the arts.

The golden question is: How were apes able to evolve into humans? Why did their brains evolve to such a significant degree?

Quote (hp7500 @ Jun 4 2022 08:35am)

Ok first I want to apologize because I wasn't sure how serious you were being. I do not think what people actually think is just for entertainment purposes at all, and would love to ponder this with you.

Just because I do have some time, I look up some more on what you are saying. I do have my own experience with drugs, including acid and mushrooms, but I would not say they created an enhanced state of consciousness, for me and the way that I did it. Are you talking about micro dosing or including some drugs in your regular diet that enhances something?

I do understand that doing drugs can create an illusion of enhanced perception. For example, I took acid on a roof top in Denver Colorado one year. In no way could you expect to see the fine details on the trees in the mountains that you can see far off in the distance. However, when I took acid, I sure as shit did. I was just staring at it telling my friends what I was seeing. Later I came to the realization that I was probably hallucinating that experience. Just like when I was doing acid once and saw a mustache on my buddies face that definitely did not have. I've also walked up to walls melting like candle wax under a flame. Obviously that wasn't happening, but maybe if I had tried to write during that time I could've written something really funny or entertaining.

I want to say my uneducated opinion why it evolved so fast may have something to do with how useful a brain was. The more useful an evolutionary advancement is, the more it may propagate. I have also seen people can very, very dumb.. while some can be godlike intelligent. I could imagine 100,000's of years ago being smart was just a freakish thing and eventually those genes made it into more and more of the population. Something along the lines of being smart was so damn useful that it propagated at an explosive rate. I think there was an unimaginable amount (percentage) of death in our past and the only thing that drew us out of this constant cycle of death was being more intelligent than the person next to you.

Like out running a lion. You don't need to outrun the lion, you need to outrun the person next to you. That can create a feedback loop, or an evolutionary type of "filter" that brought forth larger brained beings. Idk.

Quote (FinalTidus21 @ Jun 4 2022 07:19am)

Yea I do. Not specifically a monkey, and I can’t say what anyone else is experiencing, but my experience leads me to believe that we probably evolved from a chimp like ancestor and a bonobo type ancestor.

I have absolutely no idea though, it gets complicated and time consuming and I just don’t have enough resources to be certain of any of these things. I’m too busy with kids and real things to do that my time spent pondering is minimal.

Quote (El1te @ Jun 4 2022 07:59am)

Honestly, it's not just a fun theory for me - I'm a lay theologian and doctorate of chemistry.

It's quite clear that the enhanced state of consciousness imparted by psilocybin and other psychedelics was the evolutionary impetus behind the development of the brain, and the invention of language & the arts.

The golden question is: How were apes able to evolve into humans? Why did their brains evolve to such a significant degree?

Quote (Skinned @ Jun 4 2022 10:21am)

Nature is enough to explain everything and there is no reason to depart from that.

Quote (TiStuff @ Jun 4 2022 01:00pm)

you really believe the imaginary explanation "abiogenesis" "macro" "monkey to man" evolution has held up as science progressed?
the abiogenesis part is so bad now they saying "the aliens did it"

living systems (life) is an information system.
you have a DNA strand thats about 6 feet long in every cell. in that strand are the instruction to build a specific 3d body.
DNA is not only read but the machinery needed to carry out its instructions is also needed.
you might still be shaking your head no. but its not hard to see living systems (life) pose no challenge to what I believe, quite the opposite.

Is DNA a 4 bit?
Computer information processing and storage is based on 2-digit system of bits with values 0 and 1. Now, DNA stores the information in a 4-digit system: A, C, G, T.

explanation for life? they dont have the foggiest idea.
Introduction To Living Systems.
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=85094217&f=90



christiany delivers from addiction. its very real. I am so very pleased to be finished/delivered from addictions.
have you ever heard/know that religious experiences affect the brain much like drugs do. is one experience authentic and the other a copy? is a drug user seeking the spiritual?





it doesnt
it is a great a mystery as it ever was