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May 4 2022 07:26pm
Quote (fender @ May 4 2022 06:25pm)
too bad you joined the conversation late and gave him the opportunity to make his silly prepared "argument" now. i had so much fun denying him this dumb people's satisfaction.

i mean, it's not like typing it out makes it any less ridiculous, but it's so funny to see when idiots have to think for themselves, outside their narrow, pre-canned talking points, outside their intellectual comfort zone. should have seen him squirming, lol...


I really think you should focus on formulating your argument (if you have one) instead of insulting people. Your insults are obscuring your message.
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May 4 2022 07:30pm
Quote (JessiWan @ 5 May 2022 03:20)
I see that you let society's consensus dictate morality to you.


i see you still can't distinguish between personal feelings and societal consensus, even after i gave you the crayon version. your thoughts are your own, your morality is your own. feel free to be the shittiest person you want to be. just don't push it onto others. you can think abortion is "murder", but society disagrees. no one forces you to be a critical or reasonable thinker, just don't force people to live by your fundamentalist standards. i can't believe that something that simple can be so hard for someone to understand. never underestimate human stupidity i guess...
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May 4 2022 07:31pm
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i see you still can't distinguish between personal feelings and societal consensus, even after i gave you the crayon version. your thoughts are your own, your morality is your own. feel free to be the shittiest person you want to be. just don't push it onto others. you can think abortion is "murder", but society disagrees. no one forces you to be a critical or reasonable thinker, just don't force people to live by your fundamentalist standards. i can't believe that something that simple can be so hard for someone to understand. never underestimate human stupidity i guess...


Society can be wrong.

:)
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May 4 2022 07:33pm
Quote (JessiWan @ 5 May 2022 03:26)
I really think you should focus on formulating your argument (if you have one) instead of insulting people. Your insults are obscuring your message.


just because you're not smart and honest enough to identify my message, doesn't mean it doesn't exist:

think what you want, feel what you want. just don't try to force others to adhere to your backward views, if society as a whole disagrees. you don't live in a theocracy. live with the taliban if you want to live in a society that shares your "values".
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May 4 2022 07:33pm
Quote (fender @ May 5 2022 04:30am)
i see you still can't distinguish between personal feelings and societal consensus, even after i gave you the crayon version. your thoughts are your own, your morality is your own. feel free to be the shittiest person you want to be. just don't push it onto others. you can think abortion is "murder", but society disagrees. no one forces you to be a critical or reasonable thinker, just don't force people to live by your fundamentalist standards. i can't believe that something that simple can be so hard for someone to understand. never underestimate human stupidity i guess...


lol @ leftoid radical equating himself to "society" while trying to shill for 100% of child abortions
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May 4 2022 07:33pm
Quote (fender @ May 4 2022 06:33pm)
just because you're not smart and honest enough to identify my message, doesn't mean it doesn't exist:

think what you want, feel what you want. just don't try to force others to adhere to your backward views, if society as a whole disagrees. you don't live in a theocracy. live with the taliban if you want to live in a society that shares your "values".


Well I am allowed to point out that society's wrong and try to change people's perception, am I not?
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May 4 2022 08:05pm
Quote (JessiWan @ 5 May 2022 03:31)
Society can be wrong.

:)


of course. all kinds of societies have been "wrong" on all kinds of issues countless times. many of today's views (regarding fossil fuels, meat consumption, work, nation states, wealth distribution...) will probably be regarded as "wrong" by future societies, and they will change accordingly.

modern societies, however, have overwhelmingly concluded that everyone has a right to bodily self-determination, even women(!) - no matter how much you personally hate that. society's consensus is that abortions are a right, and not "murder".

let me crayon this up for you before you make that lazy, predictable pivot again: that does NOT mean you can't personally disagree with it, that you can't be a woman hating zealot incel, but it does mean that what YOU FEEL is "murder" should not be forced on society as a whole. it's NOT up to a religious fundamentalist minority to use political manoeuvring and legislative brute force to make a population that disagrees with them adhere to their outdated, backward views. i thought conservatives loved freedomâ„¢, self-determination, and small government? apparently only when those happen to align with your feelings and not as a matter of principle.
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May 4 2022 08:06pm
Quote (JessiWan @ May 4 2022 08:17pm)
Persons are not the only entities that can be murdered.


Persons are the only entities that can be murdered. If you kill a dog, it's not murder. If you stab a human kidney, it's not murder.

If you fertilize an embryo in a dish and throw it in the trash, it's not murder.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on May 4 2022 08:09pm
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May 4 2022 08:20pm
Quote (fender @ May 4 2022 03:07pm)
hello. "i personally believe" you posting here is armed robbery. doesn't make it true though.

i too have a proposal: how about every time you want to buy fast food or cigarettes, the person behind the counter asks you "are you aware that you're killing yourself, the planet, and being a burden on society, you fat irresponsible fuck?", and if you agree and still want to go ahead, no problem.

or we just drop whole government intrusion part and settle on this: if you truly believe abortion is so bad, just don't have one? pretty simple, right?
i mean, there are ways to fight abortions politically without authoritarian measures: if you really really care about it, vote for people who support policies that decrease the need for abortions, like proper sex ed and affordable healthcare.

thanks for reading.


I think this is solid policy tbh
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May 4 2022 08:22pm
sterilize the entire us pop.... problem solved
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