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Apr 7 2022 05:21pm
Quote (Santara @ 7 Apr 2022 14:12)
Uh, covid?


Quote (ofthevoid @ 7 Apr 2022 14:14)
probably this

covid crowding out other types of elderly care and hospital visits prob also played a role


did you not read the black people and hispanics expectancy went up?

still covid?
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Apr 7 2022 05:32pm
imo, a more interesting statistic is how US life expectancy developed compared to other nations. iirc the US were the only country amongst its peers with a declining life expectancy even pre covid - so it'd be interesting to see if they were similarly hit by it. considering their median age is noticeably lower than that of most european countries and japan for example, one would assume that covid should not have had the same kind of impact, correct?
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Apr 7 2022 05:33pm
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imo, a more interesting statistic is how US life expectancy developed compared to other nations. iirc the US were the only country amongst its peers with a declining life expectancy even pre covid - so it'd be interesting to see if they were similarly hit by it. considering their median age is noticeably lower than that of most european countries and japan for example, one would assume that covid should not have had the same kind of impact, correct?


you mean Figure 2 in the paper then?
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Apr 7 2022 05:40pm
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you mean Figure 2 in the paper then?


i don't know, how do you get access to the whole paper? do you need an american IP?
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Apr 7 2022 05:45pm
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i don't know, how do you get access to the whole paper? do you need an american IP?


You click the link surf posted and click view pdf
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Apr 7 2022 05:59pm
Quote (Sioux @ 8 Apr 2022 01:45)
You click the link surf posted and click view pdf


(pre)view pdf did nothing for me, but i was able to just download it via the huge button saying so in the top right, lol...

so apparently the US as a whole did not benefit from their younger population, and continued their trend of drifting away from its peers in terms of life expectancy - guess that's what the extreme politicisation of a pandemic and a shitty healthcare system do to you. thanks, obama... oh wait...
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Apr 7 2022 06:01pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ 7 Apr 2022 19:20)
I don't know if vaccination rates can explain the differences based on race, as Black life expectancy went up, but they've lagged behind in vaccination rates (at least, through numbers from around October or so). My initial guess would probably trend toward geographic regions with fewer restrictions in place, with other factors balancing things out in other areas.


Here in Germany, our federal bureau of statistics made a very interesting finding: We had almost no excess mortality in 2020 on the population level, but these topline numbers did conceal two counteracting trends in subgroups: there was some excess mortality among the 70+ age group (covid), but at the same time, there was significant undermortality among adolescents and young adults. These two effects offset. The undermortality among younger folks is explained by the lockdowns which reduced the number of traffic deaths and cut down on risky behavior like drinking, brawls behind a bar, parachuting, skiing, motorcycling and all that. Essentially, covid restrictions did - at least in the short run! - increase life expectancy (at the expense of life quality).

Another factor is the spatio-temporal aspect of covid and how it interacted with ethnicity. Minorities, and blacks in particular, are disproportionately living in urban areas which tended to have tougher restrictions and higher levels of compliance, as well as being hit harder early on, while whites are disproportionally living in rural places. Places like NYC already acquired high levels of herd immunity from infection in 2020 and were thus hit less hard in later waves. Meanwhile, large swaths of rural America barely got into contact with the virus before November or even December 2020. The infectees from that period often times only died in 2021.


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So, my theory of the case is the following:

- in 2020, blue states/big cities, where most of the minorities are living, were hit particularly hard, leading to the observed levels of excess mortality which were higher than those for rural or very white places
- in 2021, the restrictions in blue states/cities cancelled out the excess mortality from covid itself (see my point above), and considering the lower 2020 baseline these groups were coming from, life expectancy for blacks and hispanics went up a notch in 2021.
- rural and/or white places were hit later and not as hard in 2020, and when the virus arrived in full force in very late 2020 as well as throughout 2021, they had comparatively low levels of restrictions and low vaccine uptake. This combination is fairly unique among wealthy nations and dragged the entire national average up.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 7 2022 06:05pm
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Apr 7 2022 06:04pm
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(pre)view pdf did nothing for me, but i was able to just download it via the huge button saying so in the top right, lol...

so apparently the US as a whole did not benefit from their younger population, and continued their trend of drifting away from its peers in terms of life expectancy - guess that's what the extreme politicisation of a pandemic and a shitty healthcare system do to you. thanks, obama... oh wait...


The US is less healthy because of our use of HFCS and all the attendant diseases its use brings. The healthcare system is tertiary.
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Apr 7 2022 06:11pm
Quote (Santara @ 8 Apr 2022 02:04)
The US is less healthy because of our use of HFCS and all the attendant diseases its use brings. The healthcare system is tertiary.


that's definitely a huge factor in your overall low life expectancy (even though many european countries, including germany, also suffer from increasingly unhealthy diets), but it doesn't really explain how US life expectancy declined so much more during covid - despite some pretty significant advantages (lower median age and population density, early procurement of the vaccine in sufficient quantities...)
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Apr 7 2022 06:50pm
life expectency will increase since democrats are handing out crack pipes.
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