Quote (Vastet @ Mar 4 2022 12:28pm)

They are criminals for blockading borders and laying seige to the Capitol city of the nation as well as attempting to lay seige to other cities. These are not legal actions. Trudeau was forced to invoke the act to remove the blockades because there was insufficient laws on the books to deal with them without the act. Freezing assets isn't something you can just do on a whim, no matter how temporary. The government doesn't own tow trucks or have tow truck drivers on payroll and tow truck companies were refusing to get involved for fear of being perceived poorly. Being required to get involved removed the threat of being perceived poorly, they had no choice.

I have yet to see anyone anywhere show how the situation could have been handled without invoking the act, and until I see a cogent description of how it could be done I support that particular decision.

Quote (JessiWan @ 4 Mar 2022 15:43)

If those aren't legal actions, then the edicts of Bonny Henry (the health officer of BC) aren't legal, either. But somehow the truckers get punished, just because they are not a part of the government, while Bonny Henry can issue one tyrannical, arguably illegal order after another, somehow this is fine.

It's easy to accuse people of being criminals and then punishing them, but they don't apply the same rule to government officials.

Quote (Vastet @ Mar 4 2022 12:51pm)

I don't know who Bonny Henry is nor what she or he has done to warrant your anger. I would agree that more oversight over government wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, but I do doubt it would be particularly effective.

The following is absolutely certain: An assault on Canada's economy is criminal. An assault on the citizens and businesses of a city by citizens and foreigners is criminal. A protest against the federal government to oppose provincial and foreign mandates is exceptionally stupid and could never have accomplished anything. The organizers of the whole thing were therefore stupid criminals who never had a chance at success abd were making regular citizens suffer without just cause. It had to be stopped. If anything, Trudeau was a fool for not stopping it 2+ weeks sooner than he did.

Quote (JessiWan @ 4 Mar 2022 15:54)

The health officer of BC is guilty of both of those things. But we must never have Trudeau invoke the act to deal with her. Truckers? It's ok, because they are powerless civilians who we can push around.

I am not defending the truckers' actions. I am just saying we should be consistent. If they got punished, then so should the health officers of any Canadian provinces that did those things you mentioned.

Quote (Vastet @ Mar 4 2022 12:58pm)

Trudeau can't summarily interfere in the politics of a province. No PM can. Trudeau was able to go where he did because the criminals were affecting the entire country. The BC health officer is a BC problem, not a Canada problem.

Quote (JessiWan @ 4 Mar 2022 16:01)

I don't think it's fruitful to focus on technicality like that. You know what my point is, and you havent done anything to address it. I will say it again. Why are government officials who do illegal things not punished? I am not saying they have to be punished by Trudeau. They could be punished by anybody, but they aren't. Yet when it's powerless civilians who do illegal things, suddenly you get energized. This is a huge double standard on your part.

Quote (Vastet @ Mar 4 2022 01:04pm)

Technicalities matter greatly in politics. Especially in a democracy. Noone has to like it. Indeed I'd say most don't like it. But most aren't going to do anything about it unless they can't feed themselves anymore. Happy people are lazy and willing to put up with quite a bit when their lives aren't at stake, never mind their comforts.

Quote (JessiWan @ 4 Mar 2022 16:08)

The issue is not about whether Trudeau has the power to discipline the health officer of BC. I am saying that you have a double standard, and you have no response to this charge. You have a lot of opinions when civilians do illegal things, but you don't make a peep when it's government officials who do the same.

Quote (Vastet @ Mar 4 2022 01:12pm)

I do not have a double standard. I know first hand what the criminals were doing in Ottawa and on the borders. I have only your word as to what the BC health authority has done. But no matter what they have done, it can only impact BC. That takes it completely off the federal table entirely. You can't blame Trudeau for BC's internal problems. Blame John Horgan and the BC NDP.