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It isn't, objectively.



A difficult moral question. Is it moral? Is this battle worth fighting? Will it give the best results given the complicated situation at hand? Are there better alternatives?

Are you talking about the Ukraine situation and the immorality of Putin?

The Bible seeks to leave war and violence as the last alternative after all other alternatives have been exhausted. Maybe it is right.


the moral question is if u murder someone to prevent more murders are you acting morally, all non psychopaths say yes.

however murdering putin wont stop the war, wont get less people killed, etc. at least its not guaranteed.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 3 2022 01:21pm)
the moral question is if u murder someone to prevent more murders are you acting morally


My answer is no.

Murder is wrong, regardless of how politically expedient it is.
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Quote (JessiWan @ Mar 3 2022 04:22pm)
My answer is no.

Murder is wrong, regardless of how politically expedient it is.


i didnt say politically motivated. im not talking solely about assassinations, but murder generally.

if u saw someone with a gun in hand, and they're in a class of kindergarteners, and they've already shot 5 of the kids, and you've got a gun in hand, you'll watch them kill the rest? or would you murder them?

also i said i wouldnt axe putin under that same motivation.

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the moral question is if u murder someone to prevent more murders are you acting morally, all non psychopaths say yes.

however murdering putin wont stop the war, wont get less people killed, etc. at least its not guaranteed.


I agree here. There are better alternatives given the situation and Putin doesn't seem to have the agenda of committing genocide on certain ethnic groups with ovens, etc.

If you ask me, Putin just wants more saltwater ports in Ukraine to double his shipping capacity and economy. Maybe a compromise can be struck but we have to be wary of appeasement.
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i didnt say politically motivated. im not talking solely about assassinations, but murder generally.

if u saw someone with a gun in hand, and they're in a class of kindergarteners, and they've already shot 5 of the kids, and you've got a gun in hand, you'll watch them kill the rest? or would you murder them?

also i said i wouldnt axe putin under that same motivation.


Yes I would shoot them, but it's not because multiple lives is more important than his 1 life. I am shooting him because that is the only way to restrain a killer with a gun.

And technically, it would still be wrong, because it's still murder.

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Yes I would shoot them, but it's not because multiple lives is more important than his 1 life. I am shooting him because that is the only way to restrain a killer with a gun.

And technically, it would still be wrong, because it's still murder.


Killing someone in cold blood is wrong (here you're correct), killing a killer who's trying to kill more isn't though.

guilt and morally incorrect things arent mutually inclusive. if i killed someone i'd feel guilty, that doesnt mean murder is universally incorrect morally.

its RARE, exceedingly rare, to commit murder and be morally right to do so. but its not impossible. killing a school shooter isnt wrong morally, its not even a grey area, its right.

that said my moral code has changed as a father, i'd murder a whole line of people without hesitation if it meant my daughter wouldnt die. without even a second thought.

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Killing someone in cold blood is wrong (here you're correct), killing a killer who's trying to kill more isn't though.

guilt and morally incorrect things arent mutually inclusive. if i killed someone i'd feel guilty, that doesnt mean murder is universally incorrect morally.

its RARE, exceedingly rare, to commit murder and be morally right to do so. but its not impossible. killing a school shooter isnt wrong morally, its not even a grey area, its right.

that said my moral code has changed as a father, i'd murder a whole line of people without hesitation if it meant my daughter wouldnt die. without even a second thought.


I believe we are talking about whether an act is murder or not, not whether we would do it or not, or whether it's legally punishable.

Yes I would kill anyone who threatens, say, my mother, and most likely I won't be charged with murder if I can show proof that I was trying to prevent grievous harm. However, technically, it would still be murder and wrong. It's just a murder that I would still commit, and one that I most likely wouldnt be punished for.
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Quote (JessiWan @ Mar 3 2022 04:31am)
It could be someone who's, say, committing genocide. Or maybe he could push a button and blow up the entire world. Or maybe you think he's the next Hitler. Whatever. Do you think it's ok to assassinate a nation's leader?

Just want to see if the moral compasses of members here are broken or not.


The chinese leader is commiting genocide, as have several african states.
The american president could push a button to blow up the entire world
if you THINK someone is the next hitler and therefore he/she/they need to be assassinated based on your beliefts then maybe YOU probably need to be on the list for assassination
I do not believe it was OK that JFK was assassinated.

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Killing someone in cold blood is wrong (here you're correct), killing a killer who's trying to kill more isn't though.

guilt and morally incorrect things arent mutually inclusive. if i killed someone i'd feel guilty, that doesnt mean murder is universally incorrect morally.

its RARE, exceedingly rare, to commit murder and be morally right to do so. but its not impossible. killing a school shooter isnt wrong morally, its not even a grey area, its right.

that said my moral code has changed as a father, i'd murder a whole line of people without hesitation if it meant my daughter wouldnt die. without even a second thought.

+1, noting the line of people would need to be attempting to kill said child.

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ah yes the very forum rule abiding subject of assassination

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