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Feb 4 2022 04:54am
Quote (Santara @ Feb 4 2022 10:49am)
They should fucking exercise their goddamned duty of care.


they did, they stopped the assailant that was intending to murder them.
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Feb 4 2022 04:58am
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 3 2022 09:01pm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWCpkPBKFR0

Yesterday police served a search warrant in a homicide investigation in St Paul. At 6:30 AM they were let into an apartment by a landlord, only beginning to shout "police search warrant" as the SWAT team charged in for 5 seconds before encountering 22 year old Amir Locke, sleeping under a heavy comforter on a sofa, not involved in the homicide case and just staying over that night and abruptly woken up in the dark apartment by the shouts and lights. Within just three more seconds, Amir grabbed a handgun under the blanket before being immediately shot and killed by the officers. It all took place in less than a ten second span from Amir being woken up, with no knocking on the door or being asked to be let in or alerting the occupants. Amir Locke, who has no criminal record, legally owned the handgun and was staying at the apartment by invitation.
The police search warrant specified "AIR WHEN ABOUT TO EXECUTE THIS RISK – NO NOISE EXPECTED", the code for a no-knock warrant.

https://www.startribune.com/sources-man-shot-and-killed-by-minneapolis-police-during-raid-was-not-target-of-investigation/600142720/

Minneapolis and St Paul both previously adopted a policy of requiring officers to announce their purpose as a "Search warrant" (or same for arrest warrants) before entering any domicile, even if a judge signed off on a no-knock warrant, and to repeat that as they enter for anyone who may not have heard it being declared outside. This raid demonstrates the technicality of fulfilling that policy in the least possible way, literally screaming 'search warrant' in the split second before they crossed the threshold and shouting it as they charged in. No reasonable person inside could have any opportunity to react or answer it, much less a sleeping person at 630 AM.

Thankfully its about negative fuck-you degrees in Minnesota right now so I don't expect riots.


Amir was guilty by association for hanging out with criminals. Life is a bitch, especially when you are around bad people.
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Feb 4 2022 05:03am
Quote (SanduLungu @ Feb 4 2022 04:54am)
they did, they stopped the assailant that was intending to murder them.


No, they didn't. They put him in the position of having to defend himself, which he has a RIGHT to do so.
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Feb 4 2022 05:05am
Quote (Santara @ Feb 4 2022 11:03am)
No, they didn't. They put him in the position of having to defend himself, which he has a RIGHT to do so.


he wasn't good at it and paid for it.

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Feb 4 2022 05:19am
Quote (Santara @ Feb 4 2022 04:30am)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_inertia



You don't get to judge someone's cognitive performance immediately after shocking them awake. Soldiers will kill in this state. You also don't know what dreams the person may be experiencing at the time.


No, this is America and the risk that evidence may be destroyed is judged more important than the risk to human life of occupants and police alike, especially considering how Minnesota prosecutors would just disregard all that evidence and strike a plea deal and hash out another slap on the wrist, even for a homicide these days. And we get to judge the split second decision making of someone asleep in a domicile the instant they are awoken by a cacophony of threatening light and noise. The onus is on every resident of a building to be on absolutely perfect reasoning and awareness even while they are asleep, and not on the police to exercise a duty of care or cautiousness. This is why we have no knock search warrants, because it would be far too boring if real life was like an episode of law and order where detective briscoe knocks on your door and asks you to open up and shows you a warrant and starts digging through your files while you look on impatiently and make snide remarks. What's a militarized SWAT team for, if not for barging into homes in the middle of the night and shooting people dead in seconds
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Feb 4 2022 06:25am
Quote (SanduLungu @ Feb 4 2022 05:05am)
he wasn't good at it and paid for it.

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Got any friends who are veterans?

I sure hope they never get swatted like this.
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Feb 4 2022 06:26am
Quote (Santara @ Feb 4 2022 12:25pm)
Got any friends who are veterans?

I sure hope they never get swatted like this.


what makes you say that?
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Feb 4 2022 06:45am
Quote (SanduLungu @ Feb 4 2022 06:26am)
what makes you say that?


Maybe if you've ever had to sleep with your rifle, or had to wake someone with one, you could appreciate the conundrum. Waking armed people is dangerous.
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Feb 4 2022 06:49am
Quote (Santara @ Feb 4 2022 12:45pm)
Maybe if you've ever had to sleep with your rifle, or had to wake someone with one, you could appreciate the conundrum. Waking armed people is dangerous.


and teh threat was promptly removed.
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Feb 4 2022 07:41am
Everyone is addressing surface, not the underlying issue.

You see these types of things in a non-harmonious society.
This was never an issue when we had white primacy.
Back then cops looked and acted like Andy Griffith.
and no one needed to lock their doors.

But now we are full of invaders that have no allegiance to this country or its people.
These foreigners are prone to extreme violence, making here much more dangerous.
Cops in this environment become militarized by necessity.



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