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Jan 29 2022 07:26pm
Quote (Sioux @ Jan 28 2022 06:08pm)
I think you've stumbled on the first bipartisan post I've seen in the last 6 months. I can't imagine anyone thinking this is a good idea.


You do though. You're just not going to say it quite this overtly. You explicitly want a pervasive surveillance state to keep those pesky Trump supporters in line.
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Quote (Nibthebarb @ Jan 29 2022 05:26pm)
You do though. You're just not going to say it quite this overtly. You explicitly want a pervasive surveillance state to keep those pesky Trump supporters in line.


Pretty sure trump supporters tell on themselves without the use of a surveillance state. Look at the Jan 6 riot and all the HD footage their dumbasses uploaded.
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Jan 29 2022 07:39pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 29 2022 07:22pm)
lolwut?

I am talking about the political spectrum in the US as it exists. Of the 50% of the US political spectrum which lies to the left of its center, the Democratic party is representing some 40-45%. So yes, Democrats are the left of US politics in a relative sense.

You are talking about the ideological/political spectrum in an absolute sense and then essentially argue that the dastardly corporate Dems are so staunchly right-wing that the dividing line between mainstream Democrats and the tiny bunch of genuine leftists in America is much more meaningful than the divide between Democrats and Republicans. You basically argue that political debates should focus on this demarcation between TrueLeft™ and the rest, rather than the divide which shapes actual politics, decides elections and defines the future curse of the country. I get where you're coming from and why you argue this way, but come on, that's ridiculous.


You are just wrong. Democrats are to the right of the public lol.

This is just another thing ive already shown, and you've acknowledged, but you've refused to synthesize.
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You are just wrong. Democrats are to the right of the public lol.

This is just another thing ive already shown, and you've acknowledged, but you've refused to synthesize.


A genuine question: if you truly believe that Democrats are to the right of the public on key policies which are important to voters, then why don't Democrats move at least somewhat to the left - say to where the purported median voter is - to win more elections and gain more power? I mean, that's the goal of political parties and career politicians, right? Why would Democrats intentionally kneecap themselves? The usual "donor class prevents it from happening" argument could perhaps explain why corporate Dems keep winning intraparty-fights against progressives*, but it doesn't sufficiently explain why the Democratic party as a whole isn't seizing an opportunity to gain more power. With power of course come perks and pork, so a more electorally successful and politically powerful party should still attract plenty of donor money. And Dems are flush with small donor cash anyway, at least in recent cycles.


NB: I never acknowledged that, as you claim, Democrats are to the right of the public on the issues-at-large. I might have accepted it on specific policy items, perhaps healthcare or so.
NB2: That I don't agree with things you think you have demonstrated doesn't necessarily have to mean that I'm incapable or unwilling to "synthesize" info - it mostly means that your arguments were not as persuasive as you thought.





*even this argument doesn't explain why Bernie got absolutely crushed in the 2020 primaries as soon as he was running against an opponent who unifed the establishment liberals and moderates in the party.

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