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*Collective guilt*

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Florida has become a white trash hot spot.


You word against your own people.
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You word against your own people.
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Well, Germans might have a particularly obvious interest in rejecting the notion of collective guilt, but when you think about it, almost every people in the world would be fucked if they accepted moral responsibility for the sins of their ancestors. Rejecting collective guilt is the only reasonable, enlightened position that there is on these issues.

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Well, Germans might have a particularly obvious interest in rejecting the notion of collective guilt, but when you think about it, almost every people in the world would be fucked if they accepted moral responsibility for the sins of their ancestors. Rejecting collective guilt is the only reasonable, enlightened position that there is on these issues.


You can reject guilt and still take some responsibility.

If your dad robs a bank and dies, and leaves the money to you, you still don't get to keep the money after all.

When we were talking about reparations a while back you said that blanket reparations don't work, and the Japanese reparations after the internment camps of WW2 were specific and only to the families of those affected so it does work. When I asked if then it would be fine to find families that were impacted by red lining specifically and give them something I didn't see you answer.


Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 19 2022 09:30am)
Well, its effect will depend on the way it is interpreted and enforced. If Florida was still part of the Jim Crow era South, such a bill would indeed have the chilling effect described in skinned's sources. In the real world of 2022, rather than some liberal fear-porn, I would assume this bill to have a comparatively race-neutral impact and do its job and slow or stop the encroaching collective guilt ideology.


We aren't nearly as separated from that past as some would like to believe.

For instance, the "protesters can't block traffic" law that was passed was used to chill free speech of BLM protestors, but was never once enforced against Cuban protestors the very next year despite massive traffic blocking throughout a lot of the state. Florida, specifically in the past year under DeSantis, has absolutely been enforcing the laws based on political whims in many ways, and this is just a continuation of that trend.

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You can reject guilt and still take some responsibility.

If your dad robs a bank and dies, and leaves the money to you, you still don't get to keep the money after all.


That depends entirely on the manor in which you receive it.
Politicians steal money, leave to there kids and they get to keep it all.
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You may have a point but your approach opens door to criticism and you alienate target groups that potentially could be your ally. You make yourself sound no better than those whom you speak against. Speech without power is just noise.
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You may have a point but your approach opens door to criticism and you alienate target groups that potentially could be your ally. You make yourself sound no better than those whom you speak against. Speech without power is just noise.


So is not saying who you are talking to.
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