Quote (SBD @ Dec 27 2021 09:32pm)

Christe on a cracker. Less time on Jesus more time on that second job you're supposed to get.

Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Dec 27 2021 04:13pm)

Well, you're most certainly free to explain what is exactly false about what I said. I welcome it, honestly, as the exchange of ideas is something seemingly lost in modern day.

However, simply calling things fallacies doesn't make them false.

Perhaps a few starter questions will get us moving:


- scientists have spent decades trying to disprove the higher power theory by finding life on other planets -- I have not read of any success stories -- have you? Theories such as possible, unconfirmed life on Europa unfortunately wouldn't qualify.

- which other planet has the correct mixture of atmospheric gases to support the vast life forms we have on earth, without any special technology needed (mars may hit 65-70 during the day sometimes, but there is no air to breathe and at night with no atmosphere, it drops into the negative-one-hundreds.

- what facts have evolution theorists provided that negate the existence of a higher power without question?


I eagerly await your response - I am genuinely interested in hearing your side, so please feel free to share in more detail :)

Quote (TiStuff @ Dec 27 2021 11:05pm)

you know whats funny about that? if they did find life on another planet that would just make things worse for them.

Quote (toyake @ Dec 27 2021 08:18pm)

Aren't you a bit old to be believing in fairy tales?

Quote (TiStuff @ Dec 27 2021 11:20pm)

do you have a reasoned argument or are you just going to prance around saying teehee?

Quote (Erodish @ Dec 27 2021 03:33pm)

I am missing the faith element. I need to know God is real. I need to KNOW the holy ghost spoke to me or touched me. I need to KNOW that was a real sign from God and not a coincidence that my brain is desperate to make sense of the situation. I do not want to trick myself into thinking I know by believing. I want to know.

Quote (Erodish @ Dec 27 2021 03:33pm)

Hello all,

I am not religious, nor would I consider myself an atheist. Agnostic for lack of a better word.


I was prompted to pray when I took a genuine interest in religion a few years back by a Jehovah witness. We spent some time talking and I made an honest to goodness attempt at a prayer, and a fully open mind and heart for a response but nothing came.

I've always just been busy and occupied and never gave religion a second thought, was curious if anyone else had difficulty becoming religious or had trouble accepting religion, or spirituality for that matter. If I try a prayer again what could I do better or different to have real results?

Do I need to be in need of something? I've recently sought help and support in my life and things are going well ( Personal trainer, therapist, nutritionist, New friends etc etc )


I am missing the faith element. I need to know God is real. I need to KNOW the holy ghost spoke to me or touched me. I need to KNOW that was a real sign from God and not a coincidence that my brain is desperate to make sense of the situation. I do not want to trick myself into thinking I know by believing. I want to know.


IS it possible to know? Is the only way to make the connection with faith? How can I become more open to being faithful Seems like a fundamental error in my survival instinct that I can't bring myself to betray my instinct of needing to know. What kind of challenge is this?


Please let me know any serious answers. Will report Troll or spam posts.

Quote (toyake @ Dec 27 2021 08:29pm)

Sure, that thing you believe that has never had any evidence, isn't real.

Quote (TiStuff @ Dec 27 2021 11:43pm)

your evidence :)