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Dec 5 2021 10:31am
Quote (sirthom @ Dec 5 2021 08:18am)
What about the Council of Nicaea?
Where several books where altered or completely removed.
This was 1000 years before King James.

Not to mention all the other translations, changes and lost chapters.

Also, what bout all the other saviors before Jesus with many of the exact same attributes?

I'm not saying there isn't truth in the bible.
I am saying that the story is incomplete and goes much deeper.


something you believe or something you know?

so?

ah? i am searching my memory right now............i will try to get back to you.
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Dec 5 2021 10:34am
Quote (TiStuff @ Dec 5 2021 10:31am)
something you believe or something you know?

so?

ah? i am searching my memory right now............i will try to get back to you.


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Dec 5 2021 10:35am
Quote (TiStuff @ Dec 5 2021 11:31am)
something you believe or something you know?

so?

ah? i am searching my memory right now............i will try to get back to you.


i mean all of those claims are historically verifiable, you could just google it.

https://pennbookcenter.com/how-many-books-were-removed-from-the-bible/

theres another one for ya. unless youre going to claim the vatican falsified their own records of altering the doctrine.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9Tc9C-MsMk


i think zeitgeist is the word i am looking for. if it is i will expand on it latter right now i am going to be AFK.
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Quote (TiStuff @ Dec 5 2021 10:35am)
i think zeitgeist is the word i am looking for. if it is i will expand on it latter right now i am going to be AFK.


It is.
I agree, there are some historical flaws.
These things exist none the less.
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Dec 5 2021 11:11pm
Quote (sirthom @ Dec 5 2021 08:34am)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9Tc9C-MsMk


that whole vid is bald face assertions. he brings nothing in to back it up.

one thing to remember. there is nothing in scripture about dec 25th being the birthday of Jesus. When ever you hear that whoever is trying to sell you something is full of it. Dec 25th is something made up by the catholic church. hence zeitgeist is full of it.

here is a youtube channel. he also did a series debunking zeitgeist. he unlike zeitgeist includes sources to back himself up.
InspiringPhilosophy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FR08QtvapM&list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TVOYpPpjYhTUHXycJrY6P2I


Quote (belthasar @ Dec 5 2021 08:35am)
i mean all of those claims are historically verifiable, you could just google it.

https://pennbookcenter.com/how-many-books-were-removed-from-the-bible/

theres another one for ya. unless youre going to claim the vatican falsified their own records of altering the doctrine.


no one claims those are all the books. they are selected books. if all the books where put into one book the book would be to big to carry around. yes there is some argument which books should be in the bible. its not the big deal people try to make of it.
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Dec 6 2021 07:34am
Quote (TiStuff @ Dec 6 2021 12:11am)
that whole vid is bald face assertions. he brings nothing in to back it up.

one thing to remember. there is nothing in scripture about dec 25th being the birthday of Jesus. When ever you hear that whoever is trying to sell you something is full of it. Dec 25th is something made up by the catholic church. hence zeitgeist is full of it.

here is a youtube channel. he also did a series debunking zeitgeist. he unlike zeitgeist includes sources to back himself up.
InspiringPhilosophy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FR08QtvapM&list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TVOYpPpjYhTUHXycJrY6P2I




no one claims those are all the books. they are selected books. if all the books where put into one book the book would be to big to carry around. yes there is some argument which books should be in the bible. its not the big deal people try to make of it.


reread the link lol, there were 14 books of the bible that were removed from biblical canon in 1684 - the implication of this is that gods original bible contained false scripture, or else why would it be removed from biblical canon?

or do you think the vatican removed books that were in fact canonical - which would then imply that the church itself is intentionally misleading their congregation.
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Dec 6 2021 07:47am
I don't think God decides or want nothing precisely, he's just everything, even more. Time and space doesn't matter, concepts of "want" or "decides" are just out of scale, it's simply bigger.
Understand what i means ? It's out of our reach.
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Dec 6 2021 07:54am
Quote (belthasar @ Dec 5 2021 11:35am)
i mean all of those claims are historically verifiable, you could just google it.

https://pennbookcenter.com/how-many-books-were-removed-from-the-bible/

theres another one for ya. unless youre going to claim the vatican falsified their own records of altering the doctrine.



Those are referred to as the Apocrypha because there are a number of impossibilities such as anachronisms. Solomon could not have known future events by their exact name thus he can’t be the true author. Historical errors, etc.
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Dec 6 2021 08:02am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 6 2021 08:54am)
Those are referred to as the Apocrypha because there are a number of impossibilities such as anachronisms. Solomon could not have known future events by their exact name thus he can’t be the true author. Historical errors, etc.


wouldnt that support my claim that false scriptures were canonized? which would imply that god allowed false scripture in his holy book - taking this a step further, if he did it once whos to say that current biblical canon isnt intentionally false doctrine?
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