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If Millennials are having children but not getting married, is there a problem? Outside of religion, I don't really see a reason to get married if you already have a long-term relationship and assets are shared.
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If Millennials are having children but not getting married, is there a problem? Outside of religion, I don't really see a reason to get married if you already have a long-term relationship and assets are shared.



It’s a problem for the venues charging multiple times more because you mentioned the word “wedding”
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If Millennials are having children but not getting married, is there a problem? Outside of religion, I don't really see a reason to get married if you already have a long-term relationship and assets are shared.


How common is this? Its not relevant in a numerical sense.
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before there was an order of operations, which was get an education -> get a career -> meet someone -> get married -> buy house/have children (this last one can vary in order)

now this worked well for many (not all) and society flourished pretty well. but some decided that this wasn’t good enough and now it is correct to just do whatever one wants in no particular order and skip steps as one desires


I'd argue there are plenty of parallels to this and the new generation of gamers.

Your order of operations example is analogically the same to creating a new character on D2/PoE compared to WoW. In WoW, you can just buy a level xx character for xx $. In D2 / PoE, you need to spend time working on your character and making you stronger. Reading guides (get an education), leveling up character (part-time or full-time job), get a career and eventually get married (do end-game farming and crafting).
Everyone wants instant gratification and doesn't want to work to achieve a goal.


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Marriage in itself means little. Divorce has highlighted that. Vows are clearly meaningless.

People simply don't view the tradition of marriage as necessary. Does not mean they won't be common laws their entire life.

I live in a place where marriage is foreign and they're only labeled common laws because of tax law. Yet they all remain with their partner their entire life.

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How common is this? Its not relevant in a numerical sense.


A Pew showed that 12% of Millennials are cohabitating which is 4% higher than Gen-Xers. Overall though, there's a 5 point gap in people living by themselves compared to the previous generation. 19% of Millennial men live with their children but are unmarried. My point though is that marriage isn't a worthwhile indicator because that's not particularly relevant. Birth rate is the only relevant indicator as far as a nation is concerned and we're in real trouble there.

From a policy perspective, I'm not sure what can be done. Throwing money at the problem doesn't seem to help much if you look at the Nordic countries.

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A Pew showed that 12% of Millennials are cohabitating which is 4% higher than Gen-Xers. Overall though, there's a 5 point gap in people living by themselves compared to the previous generation. 19% of Millennial men live with their children but are unmarried. My point though is that marriage isn't a worthwhile indicator because that's not particularly relevant. Birth rate is the only relevant indicator as far as a nation is concerned and we're in real trouble there.

From a policy perspective, I'm not sure what can be done. Throwing money at the problem doesn't seem to help much if you look at the Nordic countries.


Children of single mothers are the source of 70% of crime AND poverty. Surely you see the hole in your own argument.

No sane civilization allows single parenthood and no sane civilization allows women to happily be single past 28.

Nordic men seem to be marrying women from Thailand.

Just put the single mothers in jail for felony child endangerment and give the kids to CPS where they can get real parents.

The other solution is abolish no-fault divorce. It is an unbalanced law that allows women to abuse men. Because of it, 80% of divorces are initiated by women now, with the leading reason being "dissatisfaction".
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Children of single mothers are the source of 70% of crime AND poverty. Surely you see the hole in your own argument.

No sane civilization allows single parenthood and no sane civilization allows women to happily be single past 28.

Nordic men seem to be marrying women from Thailand.

Just put the single mothers in jail for felony child endangerment and give the kids to CPS where they can get real parents.

The other solution is abolish no-fault divorce. It is an unbalanced law that allows women to abuse men. Because of it, 80% of divorces are initiated by women now, with the leading reason being "dissatisfaction".


There's a fundamental difference between single from a legal standpoint and single from a practical standpoint. The latter is an issue and the former is not.

If you think a child is going to get "real" parents from CPS then you're living in a fantasy world. Every single kid that comes out of CPS is a fuck up.

There is a growing body of evidence that shows that children are better off being born later because their parents are more mature, have more money, more stability, etc. Why you want women to have kids earlier is very strange. That's Congo mentality.

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Children of single mothers are the source of 70% of crime AND poverty. Surely you see the hole in your own argument.

No sane civilization allows single parenthood and no sane civilization allows women to happily be single past 28.

Nordic men seem to be marrying women from Thailand.

Just put the single mothers in jail for felony child endangerment and give the kids to CPS where they can get real parents.

The other solution is abolish no-fault divorce. It is an unbalanced law that allows women to abuse men. Because of it, 80% of divorces are initiated by women now, with the leading reason being "dissatisfaction".



Your solution is to put more kids in the foster care system where they more likely than not age out of it? Can’t see anything going wrong there…
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