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Jun 24 2021 01:07pm
Quote (Skinned @ 24 Jun 2021 20:46)
Then you can't measure socialism by agrarian shitholes without being completely full of shit yourself.

So therefore both sides are just waiting for a good example of socialism to exist.


Bullcrap. During the 50s and 60s, the Soviet Union and its satellite states in Eastern Europe were among the most technologically advanced and industrialized countries on earth. Yes, they were a bit less modern and rich than the US or Western Europe, but the gap in science, technology and standard of living was not huge. In particular, the Soviet Union was far ahead of all south and east asian countries and all of Africa with the lone exception of South Africa. Therefore, the most prominent experiment with socialism in human history was carried out in countries which started out in the top third of the global pecking order, not some underdeveloped shithole. The result was an abject failure.

Likewise, communist China saw 50+ million people starve to death and was literally one of the poorest countries on the planet (poorer than many African countries!) until well into the 70s, when Deng Xiaoping introduced free market economies.
And let's not even start with examples from Latin America, like Venezuela or Argentina - previously rich countries which entered a downward spiral as soon as they started nationalizing large parts of their economy and messed with their currency and consumer prices.

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ah yes of course, the biggest and most stable economy in the EU will soon turn into a dictatorship plagued with hyper-inflation and hunger, because most people reject your kind of bigotry and racism. another solid prediction by a political and historical illiterate, lol...


i know you cant accept things that go against your ideology

building up takes decades or even centuries, destroying things goes a 100 times quicker and with some history knowledge you would be aware of this

our demographics are beyond the point of no return, thats not racism, its a fact and multiculturalism will never work

secondly, our main industries get absolutely trashed right now, when that tax revenue goes away we will face a swift collapse of state finances or the welfare state is history, maybe we can send you to all these illegals to tell them that their undeserved paychecks wont come anymore

and thirdly, the european central bank has already laid the foundation for mass inflation and poverty with its criminal activity

states like italy are literally zombies and german exports are basically paid for in target 2 debts that will never get paid

when that bubble bursts its good night

i already know that completely ignorant and neglected sociology students in the 20th semester like you will get blindsided "oh my god, how did this happen?"

societies are much more fragile than most people realise and they take everything for granted

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Jun 24 2021 02:43pm
it wasnt really socialism though amirite
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Jun 24 2021 02:47pm
Quote (excellence @ Jun 24 2021 04:43pm)
it wasnt really socialism though amirite



Plz leave some lib triggering me. Don’t do it all at once
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Jun 24 2021 03:55pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 24 2021 10:09am)
capitalism by-and-large works, so much so that even where socialism is viable, admittedly in a very narrow scope, capitalism is still required.

socialism by contrast does work, as long as you use it in moderation.

its a check and balance on the errs of capitalism, namely profit maximalization which has created a lot of issues in america and elsewhere.

how much longer can america continue to give tax breaks at unprecedented rates to prop up corporations while simultaneously borrowing money to pay for the basics of government functions to fill the gap that a drastically lower corporate tax rate leaves?


especially as those same corporations automate positions, outsource production, and the consumers left paying for whatever X% of the govts budget pay less and less in taxes?

in classic american style we'll approach the waterfall as if it doesnt exist, and then regroup once we hit the pool below. incremental changes aren't going to happen because we have the right wing categorically against tax increases on either the individual or corporation.

the hardest recession/depression america has seen since the 1930s approaches and we'll be left to pay for it via borrowed money. and i'd bet my 401k you and your ilk will find a way to blame it on anyone but yourselves.

1st bold - i dont think maximizing profits is inherently a negative thing. On the contrary it is exactly what makes capitalism so good at increasing goods and services for te common man. What isnt good is when maximizing profits resorts to nonmarket mrchanisms to do so, such as through special interest.
The real kick in the pants here is that if the government didnt have the power to fulfill special interest i think wed be a lot better off.

Also, we spend very little on the basics of running a country (depending what you define this as). As you expand what that means it will make government larger, which will inevitably produce more special interest and the more unsavory parts of “maximizing profit” that prople confuse with capitalism

2nd bold - shoulda voted for ron paul when you had the chance, hes been calling it on the nose for decades.
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Jun 24 2021 03:57pm
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Jun 24 2021 04:17pm
Quote (excellence @ Jun 24 2021 01:43pm)
it wasnt really socialism though amirite


nah it's just never practiced properly amirite if only it was done by the right person

(and even if it was - if you run into problems it's always because of those foreign imperialists poking holes in your robust socialist system because they are nasty people)

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Jun 24 2021 05:52pm
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National Socialist German Workers' Party

lol!

Quote (proccy @ 24 Jun 2021 18:17)
nah it's just never practiced properly amirite if only it was done by the right person

(and even if it was - if you run into problems it's always because of those foreign imperialists poking holes in your robust socialist system because they are nasty people)

ayup its the “white man’s fault” says the white man lmfao
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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 23 Jun 2021 21:05)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n7mK3dYOLw

the country should look like dubai, but socialism manages to make fucking toilet paper a luxury good or paper so rare that labelling a bag of fruit would cost more than the fruits are worth

fucking absurdistan, but socialists find a way to defend this



Good thing america is on its way to socialism
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Jun 25 2021 06:29am
Quote (proccy @ Jun 24 2021 05:17pm)
nah it's just never practiced properly amirite if only it was done by the right person

(and even if it was - if you run into problems it's always because of those foreign imperialists poking holes in your robust socialist system because they are nasty people)


socialism as a nationwide system will never work until humans are removed from the process. govt run on block chain lol
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