Quote (addone @ Apr 22 2021 09:51pm)

Quote (trvegamer @ Apr 22 2021 02:41am)

1 Timothy 2: 12

12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

To my Christians and anyone else. Correct or incorrect?

Quote (addone @ Apr 22 2021 09:49pm)

First of all bible was not written by God. It may have been inspired and certainly a long line of translation and interpretations have scewed the original texts there is no way to tell. Thirdly if you believe bible on literal basis then you are lost my friend truly.

If God wanted something he would either make it impossible to not be so or made some very clear instructions that would be updated/translated and directly communicated without an obscurity of ancient texts that are highly debated and outdated

Ask yourself who is Timothy? What's his involvement?

Quote (TiStuff @ Apr 22 2021 10:30pm)

(subject to interpretation. the correct method is to try to discover the authors intent.)

" assume authority over a man"
(should a woman "assume" authority over a man? what is your answer? ...........and no dom jokes)

1 Timothy 2:12
King James Version

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

during service its rude to interrupt (for both man and woman). if i remember correctly this scripture was directed to a specific church where the women were being a problem. New converts from paganism. In some pagan religions women are the authority. In christianity its a equal partner ship

1 Corinthians 7:4
King James Bible
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
(equality and giving to one another)


u·surp
/yo͞oˈsərp/
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verb: usurp; 3rd person present: usurps; past tense: usurped; past participle: usurped; gerund or present participle: usurping

take (a position of power or importance) illegally or by force.
"Richard usurped the throne"

take the place of (someone in a position of power) illegally; supplant.
"the Hanoverian dynasty had usurped the Stuarts"

encroach or infringe upon (someone's rights)





"...selectively ignore many other passages..."
(is a false path)

i spent my life irreligious. christianity? will you give up your worldly ways (your sin)(serving your flesh) for God. Will you chose your self or God. I had to give up the booze among many other things (i never imagined a world living sober). The holy spirit gives one the power to do such things and become a new creature.

Quote (RedFromWinter @ Apr 23 2021 12:01am)

It's fiction, get over it. Have you lived in reality, women don't shut up.

Quote (Mahtava @ Apr 23 2021 01:19am)

the passage wasnt there to help men stay happy in marriage back then

it was to keep decadent values from destroying societies and to keep women at home pregnant and breeding more laborers\warriors for the state\nation\kingdom etc
when you understand the usefulness of mass religion to keep empires intact, it makes alot more sense


take a look at middle eastern countries
you dont have women cheating and house wrecking then leaving their spouse and taking the kids house dog etc with her
cause theyd just cut her ears and nose off way before it went that far

fall of rome 2.0

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 23 2021 03:13am)

Catholic dude did an AMA on Reddit today. Totally dodged every inconvenient question. Refused to dive into any significant issues because "I can't respond thoroughly in the comment box". The top like 20 posts were "When will the catholic church hold abusers responsible?" and "When we look at this and this and this and this, and this, it's clear that the bible is a political document written for the time. And you've written that we can't take the political sections literally. So why should we take anything divine as fact?"

Was a huge embarrasment lol. Got called out by basically everybody for not answering anything.

Best part? The AMA specifically asked for questions from atheists.

Quote (Jupe @ Apr 23 2021 03:43am)

wtf I love christianity now?

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 23 2021 04:00am)

Need to hide behind a book :)

Quote (Kuggergug @ Apr 23 2021 05:34am)

If I point out that democrats fought for slavery in the 1860s, I am told that OBVIOUSLY views have changed since then and we cannot be held to something from the past.

If I point out that the Bible says something incongruent with modern thinking, then I am told OBVIOUSLY religion is evil and so are all christians.

If christians are going to be held accountable for things in their past, then we might as well hold democrats accountable for slavery. Fair is fair.

Or, we can be adults and just move on.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 23 2021 04:00am)

Need to hide behind a book :)

Quote (Kuggergug @ Apr 23 2021 05:34am)

If I point out that democrats fought for slavery in the 1860s, I am told that OBVIOUSLY views have changed since then and we cannot be held to something from the past.

If I point out that the Bible says something incongruent with modern thinking, then I am told OBVIOUSLY religion is evil and so are all christians.

If christians are going to be held accountable for things in their past, then we might as well hold democrats accountable for slavery. Fair is fair.

Or, we can be adults and just move on.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 23 2021 07:22am)

This is a traditional relationship.

The most accurate description is that the man and women belong to each other after marriage, its not necessarily a servile relationship. Men traditionally are bread winners, and if the women doesn't respect the man's vision of the relationship, the man won't feel a need to work to maintain it because men thrive on respect.

Our culture is on the far opposite side, where women are conditioned to disrespect men.

Quote (UmadLoL @ Apr 23 2021 07:47am)

I think Timothy was an alpha male who has his shit straight.

Quote (trvegamer @ Apr 22 2021 10:48pm)

Do you agree with the quote stated or not?

It seems to be in very clear language.

yes i agree with it under the interpretation i provided. I dont know what your interpretation was.
I did answer your question you never answered mine.

" assume authority over a man"
(should a woman "assume" authority over a man? what is your answer? ...........and no dom jokes)

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