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Mar 15 2021 02:19pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 15 Mar 2021 21:12)
When you grow up and move out of your mom's boyfriend's basement and have to pay bills I'm sure that tune will change. Until then carry on with being a pretentious snob who's disconnected from everyday realities.


doubling down on both the short-sightedness and selfishness points by illustrating how the only way you could ever imagine someone understanding and caring about larger issues, is when they don't impact them directly and immediately. involuntary comedy gold, lol.
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Mar 15 2021 02:26pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 15 2021 04:13pm)
I'm generally in favor of higher fossil fuel costs. We've been getting a free ride for far too long, socializing the costs and pumping subsidy to keep gas pump prices low.

Keystone was garbage and should have never happened. It directly violated our treaties with the tribe who's land it passed through and Obama should have shut it down before it ever became an issue. Too bad he was a pussy.


Anyway back to read things.

Was Keystone XL actually pumping? I haven't kept up with it so I don't know the status. I know there was some construction happening as late as January? What regulations did he have the power to enact in November? That seems to be a pretty solid bullet in the claim that his actions caused a price increase if he wasn't even president when prices started going up right?


Prices are not a reflection of the past but of future expectations. The fact is, his moves and his stance, which is undoubtedly towards supporting EV's and opposing fossil fuel consumption is obvious. That's been most democrats perspective for a few years now.

Tesla and the rest of the EV's are not trading at stratospheric valuations because of what happened or what is happening today but rather what will happen. Same with gasoline, it's going up because market participants know supply will get squeezed. There's a ton of things that are and will happen under Biden's admin that is anti-fossil fuels. The below article is just an example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/01/27/biden-climate-change/

It's fine to have your perspective I just wish Biden was a little more honest. He is absolutely raising taxes on the middle and lower classes through this proxy.

Just some back of napkin math. 10 dollars extra per week per car currently for me. 2 cars. 2*10= 20, 20*52 weeks and we're at 1040.

To get this to pretax we can multiply by 1.25*1040= 1300 per annum.

Let's say the average family makes 60 grand. 1300/60,000=2.2%

So the average middle-class family just got 2.2% tax increase in a matter of like 3 months.

Let's say that family only make 40k. 1300/40,000 = 3.25% tax increase

And this is at current prices when we are still in half lockdowns with just barely getting out of winter. What is that % going to look like if gas gets to 4/gallon? How about if we include the price increase in goods and services? Now consider this in the context that like 50-70% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Mar 15 2021 02:30pm
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Mar 15 2021 04:23pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 15 2021 04:13pm)
I'm generally in favor of higher fossil fuel costs. We've been getting a free ride for far too long, socializing the costs and pumping subsidy to keep gas pump prices low.

Keystone was garbage and should have never happened. It directly violated our treaties with the tribe who's land it passed through and Obama should have shut it down before it ever became an issue. Too bad he was a pussy.


Anyway back to read things.

Was Keystone XL actually pumping? I haven't kept up with it so I don't know the status. I know there was some construction happening as late as January? What regulations did he have the power to enact in November? That seems to be a pretty solid bullet in the claim that his actions caused a price increase if he wasn't even president when prices started going up right?


Trump negotiated with the Saudi's on a monthly basis.

Biden has no backbone and this will carry on into all other foreign affairs as well.

Keystone is just one aspect of Biden's failures and inefficiencies.
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Mar 15 2021 07:18pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 15 Mar 2021 23:23)
Trump negotiated with the Saudi's on a monthly basis.

Biden has no backbone and this will carry on into all other foreign affairs as well.

Keystone is just one aspect of Biden's failures and inefficiencies.


yeah, here's trump's record on "negotiating" with the saudis: he not only supported their regime after they murdered a washington post columnist, but also made america actively support the genocide in yemen. biden at least ended the american military support for those massacres - for now. i thought you trumpist were non-interventionists and opposed wars? shouldn't you be glad about biden's course? oh right, you don't have any real principles...
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Mar 15 2021 07:58pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 15 Mar 2021 21:13)
I'm generally in favor of higher fossil fuel costs. We've been getting a free ride for far too long, socializing the costs and pumping subsidy to keep gas pump prices low.


Higher gas prices hurt the poor and low income groups disproportionately. It also makes long commuting distances less attractive and thus indirectly increases pressure on the housing market in booming metros.
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Mar 16 2021 08:47am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 15 2021 08:58pm)
Higher gas prices hurt the poor and low income groups disproportionately. It also makes long commuting distances less attractive and thus indirectly increases pressure on the housing market in booming metros.


higher gas prices have nothing to do with biden right now lmao.

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Mar 16 2021 08:53am
Quote (Budgeting @ 16 Mar 2021 15:47)
higher gas prices have nothing to do with biden right now lmao.


Dunno if Biden is at fault, probably not. But that's not the point I was trying to make. Thor said that he favors higher fossil fuel costs. I pointed out that this is an elitist attitude which disregards the very tangible negative impact of higher gas prices on low(er) income people.
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Mar 16 2021 09:24am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 16 2021 09:53am)
Dunno if Biden is at fault, probably not. But that's not the point I was trying to make. Thor said that he favors higher fossil fuel costs. I pointed out that this is an elitist attitude which disregards the very tangible negative impact of higher gas prices on low(er) income people.


sorry i misquoted who i was directed at - was supposed to be vs endlessky lol, my bad
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Mar 16 2021 09:30am
Quote (EndlessSky @ 14 Mar 2021 19:51)
You havent listed any metrics or rationality.

Your coastal elite opinion is worthless in this case.


you literally just made the 'states with lockdown are doing worse than states without' argument without listing any metrics

shut the fuck up troll
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Mar 16 2021 11:09am
Quote (Crunkt @ Mar 16 2021 11:30am)
you literally just made the 'states with lockdown are doing worse than states without' argument without listing any metrics

shut the fuck up troll



Per capita death rates are a metric

Fuck off, degenerate
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