Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 2 2021 07:30pm)

Whos red tape was it? Because if it was army then it was on trump to allow covid patients. Thats why Cuomo wasnt allowed to use the hospital ship, Cuomo made several public calls to Trump to allow Covid patients on board.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 3 Mar 2021 01:30)

Whos red tape was it? Because if it was army then it was on trump to allow covid patients. Thats why Cuomo wasnt allowed to use the hospital ship, Cuomo made several public calls to Trump to allow Covid patients on board.

Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ 3 Mar 2021 01:38)

The nursing home directive came March 25th and received patients up until about the 8th of April, by that point over 80% of the 310 nursing homes accepting these patients already had reported cases or suspected cases.
The first temporary hospital went up April 10th.

Prior to that and up to April 10th, where should those patients have gone?

Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 2 2021 06:56pm)

MORE HAIRSPLITTING WHEEE

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 2 2021 06:58pm)

Just look at the times article I linked, it's a really good read. tldr: almost the entire failure fell into the responsibility of New York state and New York City.

According to the nytimes article I linked above, "the largest facilities opened in Manhattan in late March — the Comfort and the Javits Center. They treated about 1,400 patients, although only about 300 came from public hospitals".

Quote (Santara @ 2 Mar 2021 19:22)

Um, Covid wards?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 2 Mar 2021 19:26)

Oh come on, the Army Corps of engineers had specifically constructed field hospitals in NYC to deal with the surge of ICU patients flooding their hospitals - these hospitals had the beds and the staff of physicians and nurses to treat patients, but they largely remained empty because of silly red tape, turf battles and communication failure. See here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/coronavirus-hospital-usta-queens.html
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/52m-field-hospital-in-new-york-treated-only-79-covid-19-patients.html

So, you're asking what Cuomo should have done? He should have used his emergency powers and, if necessary, his authority as the governor to force these empty and well-staffed hospitals to take in the covid-positive patients for the duration of their infectious period instead of sending them back to their nursing homes; red tape be damned.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 2 Mar 2021 19:59)

The comfort is the hospital ship THAT TRUMP WOULD NOT ALLOW CUOMO TO USE FOR COVID PATIENTS.

I've been over this a dozen times with a dozen different posters.

Who was running the Javits center? If it was the army, then it's the same problem. Literally Donald fucking Trump not letting them use it for Covid patients.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 2 2021 07:58pm)

Trump: We're sending hospital ship
Cuomo: Cool, we can use that for Covid patients
Trump: No, you can't
Cuomo: Then it's not going to help. We need rooms for the thousands of Covid patients.
Endless: WHY AREN'T YOU USING THE HOSPITAL SHIP? CUOMO IS MURDERING THE ELDERLY BY NOT USING THE HOSPITAL SHIP!

Quote (Thor123422 @ 3 Mar 2021 01:59)

The comfort is the hospital ship THAT TRUMP WOULD NOT ALLOW CUOMO TO USE FOR COVID PATIENTS.

I've been over this a dozen times with a dozen different posters.

Who was running the Javits center? If it was the army, then it's the same problem. Literally Donald fucking Trump not letting them use it for Covid patients.

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But the biggest barrier was simple: Hospitals did not send many patients to Billie Jean King.

The city did not allow ambulances to take 911 calls to Billie Jean King because health officials said they did not trust the facility to triage patients. The site had its own ambulances, but they could not pick up transfers because, according to some workers at the site, hospitals had exclusive agreements with ambulance companies. So doctors had to wait for transfers. Few came.

In interviews, doctors at overwhelmed private hospitals said they were told they could not transfer to Billie Jean King because it was only for patients from public hospitals.

Several doctors at public hospitals said they believed their bosses did not want to transfer because the hospitals in the public system each had their own budgets, and they did not receive revenue from patients they sent away. Some said they were told Billie Jean King could treat only people with extremely mild symptoms.

There were at least 25 medical conditions that disqualified patients from being transferred to Billie Jean King, including “spiking” fevers, a city spokesman acknowledged. The Javits Center had similar rules.

At Billie Jean King, seven workers said in interviews that even with limited ventilators, they could treat most severely ill patients. They said they grew increasingly frustrated to report every day to a sea of empty beds. Several mentioned that three men with mild symptoms died while quarantining at a Manhattan hotel.

Quote (IceMage @ Mar 2 2021 05:54pm)

Did Trump commit mass murder as well? Or are you just a partisan hack?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 2 2021 07:16pm)

Here's an excerpt from the times article, describing the problems overcrowded regular hospitals had sending patients to the emergency facility run by the city of New York at the Billie Jean King center:

So according to the New York Times, the exact same problems hampered the city-run facility as the fed-run (Army) Javits Center.
The little stunt with the medical ship that Trump then didnt let be used was a total dick move, I dont deny that. But after reading through the reporting, it's clear that this does not absolve New York's officials from the blame for the myriad of deadly failures for which they are responsible. This is not a "Cuomo didnt do nuffin, leave him alone!!!" situation.

Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 2 2021 08:23pm)

I have not defended Trump's coronavirus response. The fact that you are deflecting Cuomo's failures onto Trump might be read as a partisan attack.

Opposing lockdowns and signing off on senior death warrants are two different things. Trump will be judged by the end result of the pandemic. That is outstanding. We know today that Cuomo sent tens of thousands to their deaths needlessly. That is unacceptable.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 3 Mar 2021 04:08)

In which case we're back to where would he have put the seniors? The Billie Jean King opened on April 10th, which was over two weeks after the nursing home directive and well after nursing homes were infected.