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Feb 17 2021 05:23pm
The way minimum wage is tied to productivity is that the US government subsidizes the wages of those being paid too little via welfare programs to ensure that the private sector companies can keep their labor costs artificially low through the government paying the rest of their wages.

It costs more than a fucking dollar to make a hamburger. Taxes are paying for those McProfits.
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The way minimum wage is tied to productivity is that the US government subsidizes the wages of those being paid too little via welfare programs to ensure that the private sector companies can keep their labor costs artificially low through the government paying the rest of their wages.

It costs more than a fucking dollar to make a hamburger. Taxes are paying for those McProfits.


Um... A dollar burger from McDonalds is a quarter pound burger with no cheese a small squirt of ketchup, a terrible bun, and 1 slice of pickle. I can get a pack of 8 similar buns from walmart for $0.88. Standard price for the "logs" of ground beef (that're still better than the mystery meat you're getting in a dollar burger from mcdonalds) is $2.54/pound. The pickle slice and squirt of ketchup amount to less than a penny each, but we'll assign them the value of 1 penny. So, a quarter pound of beef is 2.54/4=$0.64 + $0.11 for one bun + $0.01 for the ketchup and + $0.01 for the pickle = $0.77 to grill up one burger with ingredients you yourself can go buy at walmart, and the burger will contain higher quality meat than that which you buy for a Dollar at McDonalds.

I don't think anyone's arguing with you that many corporations could afford to pay a higher wage. It would be nice, however, if you stopped making claims about alleged "costs" that don't line up with reality. BTW, to justify my claim regarding the price of beef:



This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 17 2021 05:43pm
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At least nobody's ever calling for the lowering of wages. That would just be STUPID! Lets just keep them at the same exact number, never higher, never lower regardless of the other changes in the economy.

If automation and better skills are the issue, why dont we just lower wages in those disgusting jobs nobody should be working anyway to force people out of them and into better skills more quickly? Sounds perfectly logical to me!

Poeple love talking themselves into the status quo atound here dont they.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 17 2021 05:35pm)
Um... A dollar burger from McDonalds is a quarter pound burger with no cheese a small squirt of ketchup, a terrible bun, and 1 slice of pickle. I can get a pack of 8 similar buns from walmart for $0.88. Standard price for the "logs" of ground beef (that're still better than the mystery meat you're getting in a dollar burger from mcdonalds) is $2.54/pound. The pickle slice and squirt of ketchup amount to less than a penny each, but we'll assign them the value of 1 penny. So, a quarter pound of beef is 2.54/4=$0.64 + $0.11 for one bun + $0.01 for the ketchup and + $0.01 for the pickle = $0.77 to grill up one burger with ingredients you yourself can go buy at walmart, and the burger will contain higher quality meat than that which you buy for a Dollar at McDonalds.

I don't think anyone's arguing with you that many corporations could afford to pay a higher wage. It would be nice, however, if you stopped making claims about alleged "costs" that don't line up with reality. BTW, to justify my claim regarding the price of beef:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755198864180379659/811742323855065088/unknown.png


Oh yeah. That is definitely the central point. You totally aren't missing the important part.
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Feb 17 2021 05:59pm
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cam did, why can't you?


Noncompetitive business practices.

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My internet goes up in costs every few months without getting any better because fuck you its an oligopoly, you gonna start your own isp 🤷‍♂️?


Modern corporate law is completely fucked.

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In 1971 when Nixon closed the gold window, severing the last tie between the dollar and gold, the minimum wage was $1.60/hour and gold was $40.80/oz. This meant that full time employment was worth ~78 oz of gold per year. At today's prices, 78 oz of gold would be worth $140,000, or 70/hour. Inflation is a lie. End the Fed.


We honestly should tie money to barrels of oil or something.

The Fed has more power than any branch of government currently.

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Oh yeah. That is definitely the central point. You totally aren't missing the important part.


I missed nothing. First, I showed that you yourself can make a burger that's higher quality than McDonald's for less than a dollar. Second, you're paying way higher than what McDonalds is paying for their pre-prepped super-processed, nasty garbage. They get cheaper EVERYTHING than you, they pay no retail markup and have an independent supply chain to minimize all costs.

However, based solely on the national average that the mcdonalds worker produces 60-75 burgers an hour, and the above figures for you making the burgers yourself, that $0.23 profit you'd make selling your burger for $1 while producing 60-75/hour would be $13.80-$17.25/hour. Now, that doesn't include any overhead costs, which would have to come out prior to figuring on pay scales. So your power costs, building maintenance costs, etc. etc. Suffice it to say, you'd likely make less than minimum wage.

As far as taxpayer handouts for McDonalds and such, I'm not sure I see the point on this. The majority of taxpayer handouts go to single mothers, who are the recipients of 90% of all welfare payouts. The primary reason for this? Insuring the children have a home and food and clothes. And I'm not certain that this would change even with a minimum wage increase to $15/hour. It didn't in Seattle, and hasn't with increases to anywhere from $12-$13.75 elsewhere. In fact, what we've seen more of is people who were full time freaking out due to hitting over $25K/annual and seeing the potential loss of benefits, and getting their employers to cut them down to part time, so they'd still get both benefits and the steady source of income that'd reward them with real cash and earned income credits.

Like, the point was mostly trash in general. The question of could McDonalds pay more? Sure. How much more? Depends on the specific McDonalds. Some 4 years ago a manager for McDonalds broke down the cost to make the dollar burger, and after all overhead was figured in, including payroll, they make $0.08 profit for a dollar burger, and $0.21 for the $1.29 "McDouble" cheeseburger. Unless it's a franchise, the profit goes to corporate, who only doles profit back out to the individual stores as it sees fit.

McDonalds, much like Amazon and Walmart, are not making some massive killing on a "per item" basis. All three of their business models requires massive amounts sold for the model to work. How much of that total profit should be kicked back down to the basic worker? I honestly wouldn't even know where to start to answer that question. I know that at least in the cases of Walmart and Amazon, they have "Company Minimums" that are higher than standard minimums, making them preferred employers in low wage low cost of living rural areas. But how much more should they pay? Dunno.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 17 2021 06:35pm)
Um... A dollar burger from McDonalds is a quarter pound burger with no cheese a small squirt of ketchup, a terrible bun, and 1 slice of pickle. I can get a pack of 8 similar buns from walmart for $0.88. Standard price for the "logs" of ground beef (that're still better than the mystery meat you're getting in a dollar burger from mcdonalds) is $2.54/pound. The pickle slice and squirt of ketchup amount to less than a penny each, but we'll assign them the value of 1 penny. So, a quarter pound of beef is 2.54/4=$0.64 + $0.11 for one bun + $0.01 for the ketchup and + $0.01 for the pickle = $0.77 to grill up one burger with ingredients you yourself can go buy at walmart, and the burger will contain higher quality meat than that which you buy for a Dollar at McDonalds.

I don't think anyone's arguing with you that many corporations could afford to pay a higher wage. It would be nice, however, if you stopped making claims about alleged "costs" that don't line up with reality. BTW, to justify my claim regarding the price of beef:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755198864180379659/811742323855065088/unknown.png


God you're the dumbest smart person I've ever met FFS.
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Feb 17 2021 06:30pm
Median wages shot up 10% under Trump.

That is the proper way to improve the working class.

Raising the minimum wage is a egotistical power grab that will do nothing but raise the CPI.
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Feb 17 2021 08:55pm
I'm fine with pinning it to inflation.

Let's be real though. With modern technology/working conditions/availability of unskilled labor its worth less than ever.
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Feb 17 2021 09:05pm
There is no real relationship between the two. Every time I've gotten a raise, its felt past due, and the excitement is short lived. Profit sharing models can be awesome motivators though. There is a better relationship between boss funded happy hours and productivity IMO.
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