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Feb 15 2021 10:04pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 15 2021 11:03pm)
Lol, we get less home invasions than the us and have a LOT less gangs.


You also have zero black people
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Feb 16 2021 03:03pm)
Literally 100% of mass shooters were raised by single moms.


Not going to look up every mass shooter but the two who started the craze dylan and eric were both raised in happy normal families with both parents present.|
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You also have zero black people


5.2% of the population is black.


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Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 15 2021 11:06pm)
Not going to look up every mass shooter but the two who started the craze dylan and eric were both raised in happy normal families with both parents present.|


5.2% of the population is black.


Literally fucking zero %

76.8% White

10% East and Southeast Asian

4.6% South Asian

3.1% West Asian and Arab

1.5% Maori and Pacific Islander

0.7% African

0.6% Latin American

2.8% Aboriginal

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Quote (EndlessSky @ Feb 16 2021 03:22pm)
Literally fucking zero %

76.8% White

10% East and Southeast Asian

4.6% South Asian

3.1% West Asian and Arab

1.5% Maori and Pacific Islander

0.7% African

0.6% Latin American

2.8% Aboriginal


Aboriginals, maori's and south sea islanders are black..
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Feb 15 2021 10:26pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 15 2021 04:56pm)
The 2nd Amendment is pretty clear, both in terms of language and established precedent.

This law is unconstitutional, and will be ruled as such.



I don't think it makes Democrats look good at all. I see this as classic overreach. They want to lose.


This. I am not concerned given that we have a 6-3 SCOTUS majority and it's highly unlikely you could use budget reconciliation to pass this. This is red meat for the anti-gun lobbyists and has zero chance of passing.
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Feb 15 2021 10:31pm
Quote (thundercock @ Feb 15 2021 11:26pm)
This. I am not concerned given that we have a 6-3 SCOTUS majority and it's highly unlikely you could use budget reconciliation to pass this. This is red meat for the anti-gun lobbyists and has zero chance of passing.


Vouch.

This is just a big distraction from the Executive Orders.

As was the in peach.
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Feb 15 2021 10:33pm
Quote (thundercock @ Feb 15 2021 08:26pm)
This. I am not concerned given that we have a 6-3 SCOTUS majority and it's highly unlikely you could use budget reconciliation to pass this. This is red meat for the anti-gun lobbyists and has zero chance of passing.


as a 90% lefty.. I think gun laws are stupid and shouldn't happen
Only thing I see is registry and mandatory full ass rape level penalties for gun law violations
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Feb 15 2021 10:42pm
Quote (fender @ Feb 15 2021 07:56pm)
yeah, because mental health is a US exclusive problem. the fact that school shootings (firearm suicide / accidents / mass shootings...) are not major issues in your peer country has nothing to do with the fact that they have stricter gun regulations, it's all just mental health...

my god, you gun nuts are so incredibly dishonest and deluded. do you have the slightest idea how ridiculous what you're saying there sounds? even with regular mandatory (and i'm sure as a 'libertarian' (lol), you're strictly against this) mental health checkups and treatment, shootings would remain a problem, so what mental healthcare policy specifically would prevent them? humour me. after all, you claim to be against school shootings (just not as much as you are against any kind of gun law, hence the idiotic conjecture and fearmongering concerning the proposed legislation)...


It might be a problem but it'd be less of a problem and the number of casualties would be acceptable. I'd argue that the number of casualties is already acceptable but I understand why people are scared.

We need WAY more school counselors to deal with bullying, social media, etc. There's a reason that the number of school shootings has skyrocketed this past decade whereas they were much less frequent when I was in school. The gun laws haven't really changed all that much so we need to dig deeper.

I will give you this though: Many conservatives will scream "mental health" but will scoff at the idea of funding it. The truth of the matter is that they just don't care.
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Quote (thundercock @ 16 Feb 2021 05:26)
This. I am not concerned given that we have a 6-3 SCOTUS majority and it's highly unlikely you could use budget reconciliation to pass this. This is red meat for the anti-gun lobbyists and has zero chance of passing.


ah yes, the powerful and devious anti-gun lobby. those dishonest actors, supported by no-gun manufacurers who want to sell their no-guns , pushing stricter gun laws for unethical reasons, and totally not to save innocent lives, right? unlike the honest and ethical gun lobby, which is totally not motivated by a profit motive, selling guns, and totally not preventing actual research into gun violence, or pushing pro gun politicians in order to fortify a simplistic and common-sense defying interpretation of the second amendment. always good to know who the REAL bad guys are...
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Quote (fender @ Feb 15 2021 11:54pm)
ah yes, the powerful and devious anti-gun lobby. those dishonest actors, supported by no-gun manufacurers who want to sell their no-guns , pushing stricter gun laws for unethical reasons, and totally not to save innocent lives, right? unlike the honest and ethical gun lobby, which is totally not motivated by a profit motive, selling guns, and totally not preventing actual research into gun violence, or pushing pro gun politicians in order to fortify a simplistic and common-sense defying interpretation of the second amendment. always good to know who the REAL bad guys are...


The 2nd amendment is clearly written and has plenty of precedent. Anti-gun activists need to go about this the right way, and win over the majority required to amend the Constitution.

Anti-gun activists in the United States simply know very little about guns. They will continue to be laughed at and excluded from the decision making process until they spend the time and effort necessary to educate themselves on the things they intend to regulate.
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