Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 4 2021 09:45am)

To what purpose? The Chinese are not us. The military will roll in with tanks. Worse, they'll put out public messages blaming us for attempting to undermine their people, and more than likely a large percentage of those who end up with our weapons would turn them on American tourists and businesspeople.

It's a sovereign nation operating under a completely different culture ruled by a completely different style of government. If you forget outsourcing and slave wage labor for a moment though, the relationship the US has with China, economically, is literally better than any European nation. Compared to China, France should be our enemy. China welcomes our business, helps prop them up when they run into difficulties, and provides cheap land and labor and almost no barrier to success. Shitlords like France do everything they can to either directly sue or utilize the EU to sue our corporations for billions over anything they can cook up.

The EU as a whole has been conducting economic warfare against the United States for decades in an effort to compete legally where they can't compete productively. China doesn't. AND China is not willing to play by the EU's rules. So China is a developing superpower that plays by a different ruleset and is their literal neighbor. So the EU, who has placed themselves as our economic enemy, wants us to beggar ourselves by combatting China? Fuck that and fuck them. I'd rather fight Europe. The EU is closer to the Nazis than China is, and they're nearly as hostile. China's not hostile at all, and benefits US trade far more.

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Quote (EndlessSky @ 4 Feb 2021 07:11)

The CIA has done more sensitive things around the world.

I love how people forget 2000 people are dying every day from Chinese fentanyl. Its becoming more casualties than WWII

We need to stamp our foot on their neck hard and soon

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 4 2021 09:19am)

So you're saying the Chinese government is freely dispersing Fentanyl to the American populace?

I'd say, China is the #1 supplier of Fentanyl to the nation's medical supply chain, and irresponsible and criminal elements are redirecting a tiny portion of that drug onto the streets at insane personal enrichment profits.

Prove me wrong, because most of the evidence is in my favor. China LOSES any time American production drops. They rely on our resources to succeed, just as we rely on their production to succeed. There are 43632763672 things bad about China. If you believe one of those things is that they want to indiscriminately murder Americans, you're high.

Quote (thesnipa @ 4 Feb 2021 07:30)

correct. people who hate china always jump the shark and go into "they want the US to fail in the next decade". like what? so they can depend on Russian buyers or the EU market which increasingly wants to move away from them? are they going to sell goods to africa? Maybe there's a 100 year plan to supplant us as the world dominant force, but short term its silly to suggest they're trying to destroy us. just the debt we owe them alone is enough for them to want us kept around.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 4 2021 09:33am)

Stop agreeing with me, it's making me question my own words.

That being said, the US isn't that far in debt to China. Currently our total debt to China is just slightly over $1 Trillion. It's half again that to Japan, AND our capital investment and product available to seize is nearly that high. Like, I don't think China's worried about debt.

Quote (thesnipa @ 4 Feb 2021 07:34)

you're not the hero i want, you're the hero i need friendo.

Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 4 2021 09:30am)

correct. people who hate china always jump the shark and go into "they want the US to fail in the next decade". like what? so they can depend on Russian buyers or the EU market which increasingly wants to move away from them? are they going to sell goods to africa? Maybe there's a 100 year plan to supplant us as the world dominant force, but short term its silly to suggest they're trying to destroy us. just the debt we owe them alone is enough for them to want us kept around.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 4 2021 09:43am)

There actually is a long-term plan to elevate Africa and similar nations to buyer status.

The belt and road initiative, based on what I've read so somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, is basically a plan to get the natural resources of countries without having to do U.S. style coups. They're making low interest loans to struggling countries so they can build infrastructure and sell raw materials to China, which will then allow them to buy the goods.

As long as the money keeps flowing back and forth it doesn't really matter if you go into debt or are the debtor. You both win. America has traditionally been the one going in debt to sell goods, but it looks like China is taking the opposite approach.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 4 Feb 2021 07:43)

There actually is a long-term plan to elevate Africa and similar nations to buyer status.

The belt and road initiative, based on what I've read so somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, is basically a plan to get the natural resources of countries without having to do U.S. style coups. They're making low interest loans to struggling countries so they can build infrastructure and sell raw materials to China, which will then allow them to buy the goods.

As long as the money keeps flowing back and forth it doesn't really matter if you go into debt or are the debtor. You both win. America has traditionally been the one going in debt to sell goods, but it looks like China is taking the opposite approach.

Quote (thesnipa @ 4 Feb 2021 07:46)

for sure, China is 100 years or so behind us but with technology we didnt have, so of course they'd try and colonize Africa. Im sure they'll try to install similar endeavors in South America. And of course are putting up a good fight to take over anything close to them. Fishing out their own waters and creating ecological disasters all of the way along.

China is just the old US, but with the tech they have it's like a toddler with a machine gun. Scary stuff even if it is predictable in a way.