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#31
Jan 7 2021 02:12am
"Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it."

the correct conclusion is not either of the following:
>These are opposites
>its right wing and therefore republicans and libertarians are bad
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#32
Jan 7 2021 02:13am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Jan 7 2021 07:10pm)
Be more honest with yourself and others.
The insinuation that 'lul biden got elected so the far left can't be significant and on the rise' is not logically sound or representative of reality.

No, Biden is not the extent of the far left and socialism that I was talking about.


The reason the oligarchs put biden into power and not bernie was precisely to stop the far left gaining ground.
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#33
Jan 7 2021 02:14am
Quote (fender @ 7 Jan 2021 00:07)
oh, of course. who doesn't remember all the nazi-sympathisers, anti-semites, and white nationalists at the "unite the left" rally in charlottesville? i think you might be on to something there...


Andrew Cuomo was in Charlottesville? :huh:

Oh, you aren't talking about fascism anymore, are you? Random people showing up to a random place to say, "Hey, don't take down our statue" is an exercise of personal liberty. What they personally believed or subscribed to? They're allowed to.

If you want to say repeatedly that you think Jews are shit, go ahead, that's your right. Now if you go and try to shut down all the Synagogues and actively prevent any form of peaceable assembly in the form of worship, THAT'S anti-sematism.

Again, left believes in the power and rights of the state. Right believes in the power and rights of the individual. There are racists all across the spectrum. The question regarding fascistic behavior is, "Are you using the power of the state to remove the rights of the individual?" The nazis did so. They were leftist. The Soviets and Chinese did so. They're leftists. :)
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#34
Jan 7 2021 02:15am
Quote (cambovenzi @ 7 Jan 2021 02:48)
Thats what we were told to believe, sure.

The left/right paradigm is an inadequate oversimplification of issues.

Nazism is a variant of socialism.
An authoritarian collectivist ideology involving high government control of person and property. Fascism has an incredible amount of overlap with progressivism and other socialist regimes.
Its not a right wing opposite of communism, contrary to how its often portrayed.

The modern right are not the ones interested in strict regimentation and government control of business and property. That is what the leftists/democrats are advocating.



There is such thing called political sciences, not what I was told to believe... lmfao

Also you talk about the 'modern right' as if its a group people, when it is not. It's a way of thinking. You could say 'people on the right' but calling rights and lefts groups of people is simply incorrect grammar.

Go to school fam

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Jan 7 2021 02:16am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 7 2021 07:14pm)
Andrew Cuomo was in Charlottesville? :huh:

Oh, you aren't talking about fascism anymore, are you? Random people showing up to a random place to say, "Hey, don't take down our statue" is an exercise of personal liberty. What they personally believed or subscribed to? They're allowed to.

If you want to say repeatedly that you think Jews are shit, go ahead, that's your right. Now if you go and try to shut down all the Synagogues and actively prevent any form of peaceable assembly in the form of worship, THAT'S anti-sematism.

Again, left believes in the power and rights of the state. Right believes in the power and rights of the individual. There are racists all across the spectrum. The question regarding fascistic behavior is, "Are you using the power of the state to remove the rights of the individual?" The nazis did so. They were leftist. The Soviets and Chinese did so. They're leftists. :)


Ah yeah like when that damn leftie george bush brought in the patriot act.
Your entire reasoning is delusion, you can't just change meanings whenever they do not suit your world view.

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#36
Jan 7 2021 02:19am
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Ah yeah like when that damn leftie george bush brought in the patriot act.


We agree. I said elsewhere that Jeb Bush and HRC were virtually the same on policy, and that applied to GWB as well. The Patriot Act was a completely Authoritarian bill, and helped push America farther left than it had ever been, violated the rights and liberties of the individual in favor of providing more power to the government.

Glad you're starting to understand. :)
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#37
Jan 7 2021 02:23am
Quote (Crunkt @ Jan 7 2021 03:15am)
There is such thing called political sciences, not what I was told to believe... lmfao

Also you talk about the 'modern right' as if its a group people, when it is not. It's a way of thinking. You could say 'people on the right' but calling rights and lefts groups of people is simply incorrect grammar.

Go to school fam


Far left grammar Nazi!

Btw you are wrong.
The modern right does consist of people and there is nothing wrong with referring to it in that way.
My language conveyed information and a point in a fairly easy to understand manner: Contrasting typical people on the contemporary or 'modern' right with authoritarianism, fascism, socialism and progressivism.

Do you have a rebuttal or are you content with falsely trying to correct my grammar and vocabulary?

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Jan 7 2021 02:26am
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#38
Jan 7 2021 02:40am
power hungry people run behind the scenes of whatever ideology you assign whether it be communism or far right nationalism. Its just communism is far easier to abuse power because it assumes benevolent government and that is a fatal mistake most of the left just ignore.
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#39
Jan 7 2021 02:43am
Quote (addone @ 7 Jan 2021 00:40)
power hungry people run behind the scenes of whatever ideology you assign whether it be communism or far right nationalism. Its just communism is far easier to abuse power because it assumes benevolent government and that is a fatal mistake most of the left just ignore.


Nationalism is neither right nor left. Merely a view of what the government priorities should be. To try to point at "far right nationalism" are you talking about China now? China's the most nationalist (near superpower level) nation on the planet at this point.

Stop attempting to conflate stances on nationalism vs globalism with right and left. It's not related.

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Jan 7 2021 02:43am
Quote (addone @ Jan 7 2021 12:40am)
power hungry people run behind the scenes of whatever ideology you assign whether it be communism or far right nationalism. Its just communism is far easier to abuse power because it assumes benevolent government and that is a fatal mistake most of the left just ignore.


good point
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