Quote (nomadwgk @ 7 Jan 2021 15:53)

Id like to point out, that yesterday it wasn't business as usual at the capitol. I would say there were a legit security concerns as it didn't look like the crowd came over to talk to their representatives, but to disrupt the counting process .

Quote (thesnipa @ 7 Jan 2021 15:54)

the point of having only a few buildings on a hard lock down is to not have the need for guards on every corner and the ability to leave the capital itself open, and even many parts of buildings open to the public in non-covid times.

my capital building in WI is open to the public 99% of the time, u can walk in and see most of the building. and its a beauty. but to expect i could walk into Evers office or expect to be able to sit in on an active senate proceeding is silly. we would have never lasted as a country until now if we had an open senate, too many people would have been shot.


they aren't our buildings, they're the federal govt's. the point of this distinction is that the federal govt isnt a person, even if swamp demons stay there decades too long. it belongs to no one, because it belongs to everyone. and when it belongs to everyone u cant do something to it unless u get everyone's ok. well we elect people to speak for us, so its theirs, and by extension ours.


to be quite frank the narrative that this is somehow public property, even an active session of congress doing the EC vote, is one of the most hair brained ideas yet that ive heard. this reads to me as totally batshit fucking insane. the ramifications are insanity. everyone will die.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 7 2021 02:38pm)

camp fires are really calming, im sure thats what they meant

Quote (excellence @ Jan 7 2021 03:04pm)

jackson knew how to handle people who tried to shoot him in a federal building.

that aside, okay fine its the federal govt’s buildings. who funds those again?
we can just move to a notion that congress is always in session and youre only allowed to visit during recess to keep everyone safe.

why can’t people sit in a session of Congress? i mean it should be allowed. you should be firmly vetted of course

Quote (thesnipa @ 7 Jan 2021 16:09)

why on earth would we allow open access to a room in a country of 400 million people when c-span exists? its such an unnecessary security risk i dont even understand the idea of why we'd want that.

you want a secret service 100x the size it is? u want millions wasted on vetting people for cosplaying as congressional aids for the day? for what?

again, you're arguing yourself a bit here. having a small number of high security locked down areas prevents the need for a locked down capital, it saves time and money from the tax payers. it just also happened to fail miserably for reasons im not even sure we understand yet. but to come away with "well ya, we should be let in whenever we want" is insane to me. congresspeople and senators would get shot all the damn time, poisoned, just plain harassed, sessions would be disrupted every time, etc. its so counterproductive and costly, why? so we can feel 1% better about paying taxes with shitty costly access to a snoozefest we could watch on c-span from home? fuck. that.

Quote (excellence @ Jan 7 2021 03:16pm)

why not? as i said thorough vetting like they do with going to any other major federal building. im not talking about a full stadium full of people here

and come on with the bold you can see congresspeople and senators all the time you just have to know where to hang out after 4 pm (hint: bars, bars of expensive restaurants, brothels etc.)

Quote (thesnipa @ 7 Jan 2021 16:21)

when congress people are in one place in large numbers they're a target. softball shooter anyone?

this is an axiom of statistics, when u open a pool large enough it eventually ends in some insane outcomes. 400m people getting access, even after thorough vetting, will result in some insane tragedies. no, im not joking.

what happens the next time a "racist rapist scotus pick" is being voted on, some loonie lefty makes a pipe bomb.

and ur not even addressing costs. all so a few people who clear the expensive vetting life out irl c-span.

if it takes extreme vetting its not open, and therefore pointless. its a lottery to cosplay as a swamp demon to legitimize taxes ceremonially, all while raising tax costs. counterproductive, dangerous, and not worth it in any sense.

if anything make tours free, if they arent already. active sessions of congress and public is an awful idea, truly truly not good as a concept.

Quote (excellence @ Jan 7 2021 03:35pm)

that was a random baseball field charity event. you cant really do a vetting process for something like that. what no people allowed outside so ted kennedy could go get drunk at a bar?

youre assuming 400m people even want to go see Congress. you could barely get people to vote outside of 2008 and 2016/2020 and the turnout will plummet likely in the next few election cycles.

metal detector. or have the NSA do the vetting. they already know everything about everyone already.

sure free tours is a good idea. already tours are pretty easy to get into, other than maybe WH tours theyre hardly in demand usually.

if its a tax burden then fine, i can agree with that.