Quote (thundercock @ 7 Jan 2021 06:15)

Your fearmongering is ridiculous. When the Dems had strong majorities from 2009-2011 they made a small dent with the healthcare issue. When Republicans controlled everything, the most impressive legislative achievement were tax cuts. The loony left has almost no power.

I won't believe Trumpism is dead until HE is dead OR he loses the 2024 primary. But man, that's so long from now and we've already had a wild MONTH.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Jan 6 2021 09:20pm)

They are shouting it from the rooftops. have you not been paying attention?

what kind of 'real republican' who wants to 'protect the country' actively supports socialists, corrupt democrats, and gun grabbers?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 6 2021 09:22pm)

Back in 2009-2011, the parties were not nearly as ideologically polarized as they are nowadays. You had far more moderate or even conservative Democrats in Congress would werent willing to go along with far-left policies. The media and big tech were also not yet influencing and manipulating public opinion in favor of liberal ideas with nearly the same ferocity and ruthlessness.

Also, I am not talking about what will happen with the 50+1/50 Senate we actually got, which will indeed not pass too much radical stuff. I'm talking about the 300+House/60+Senate that Democrats would have ended up with if NeverTrumpers and their calls for an eradication of anything Trump had been followed by conservative voters.

Quote (CiroC @ Jan 7 2021 12:18am)

I'll worry about the Democrats in 4 years during next election.
It's no big deal if the Democrats won. There were plenty of great Democratic presidents in American history. We have to keep our heads up move forward and hoping for the best.

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There were plenty of great Democratic presidents in American history

Quote (CiroC @ Jan 7 2021 12:22am)

who said i support Democrat's policies and believes?
All i did was to get Trump out of the office.

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I have a brain, i can think for myself.
If i see something i dont agree with, i have a choice to abandon it or do something about it.I am not a BLIND follower who got brainwashed and continue to walk down a one-way street and never look back...

Quote (thundercock @ 7 Jan 2021 06:25)

That was always a pipe dream and you know it lol. If you read my state polling analysis leading up to the election, I think 55 seats were achievable if Graham lost. The probability of that happening was quite low.

Quote (CiroC @ 7 Jan 2021 06:22)

who said i support Democrat's policies and believes?
All i did was to get Trump out of the office.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 7 Jan 2021 06:09)

Trump is already defeated, and after the debacle yesterday and today's self-own, Trumpism in the narrow sense is defeated as well. (Right-wing populism will rise again of course.) No need to prop up Dems even more. The principled stance of genuine "NeverTrump conservatives", as opposed to shameless grifters, would have been to urge split-ticket votes for Biden plus downballot Republicans.

But hey, at least you just admitted that even with full control, you do not consider Democrats and their ideas a threat to the nation and its future.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Jan 6 2021 09:30pm)

This is what I was talking about in the other thread. Anti-trump hysteria overrides every other concern.


There was one who was pretty good relative to other presidents. His name was Grover Cleveland.
He left office in 1897.

But sure lets say thats the case.
Kamala is going to be a great president? She is going to uphold traditional American values or liberty and limited government? You want her running your life?



You are actively supporting them and calling republicans who disagree retarded.



I am not a BLIND follower who got brainwashed and continue to walk down a one-way street and never look back...

Supporting absolute trash like the lincoln project and democrats taking power does not make you some patriot or independent thinker.
You have fallen for low quality propaganda and have sold out your country while thinking you are protecting it.

Do you admit or deny that the democrats want to radically change America and stand firmly against core American values?

Quote (CiroC @ Jan 7 2021 12:34am)

i disagree with Trumptards, not Republicans. Let's get that straight here.
And yes, at this point, i rather support the Harris/Democrats than Trump and his followers. That's how bad of a person and president Trump was.

Quote (fender @ 7 Jan 2021 06:30)

amuse me, which democratic idea, that is actually a declared and realistic goal of the party, and not some q anon conspiracy / OAN talking point, do you consider a "threat to the nation and its future" - and how does it compare to trump actively undermining democracy and inciting a revolution?

i mean, fuck the lincoln project. they ARE grifters, but that's not the point here. just like progressives, actually principled republicans had to choose the lesser evil of two admittedly terrible options - so by what standard was trump the preferable one?