why should someone's choice to kill themselves not be honored? it doesnt break the NAP.

with obvious exceptions for young healthy mentally ill depressed people, ofc.

why should a non-terminal 90 year old persons choice to end life at a stage before quality of life cliffdives not be honored?

or for that matter a non terminal but slowly debilitating illness ? although im not sure you'd even object here, thinking M.S. and similar.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 2 2020 11:54am

I'd actually argue that stopping me from enlisting somebody else's help in committing suicide directly violated the non-aggression principle

I consider any decision to undertake suicide outside of terminal illness to be mental illness.

doesnt this ignore the natural plateau that is life?

quality of life bleeds away, some people desire to stay alive until the plane runs into the ground, some cant handle hitting the breaks at all.

but if we even control for the hedonists unable to life past 50, there are still many people 70+ that have a legitimate argument to just not want to subsist for it's own sake.

im not one of them, im going to ride it out until its all over, but i get it.

Odd results. Some is used to define a insignificant metric where it's highlighted, but in the first sentence it's inferred that "some" is significant.

Which is it? Insignificant or significant?

This post was edited by Jere on Dec 2 2020 12:16pm

ummm wat

Oh, it's you. Just looked at name. Nvm...nvm lol

What about a quadriplegic, someone who's fully paralylized in all four limbs, requires intense support and care and is unable to live with any autonomy? Someone like that isnt terminally ill, but has little to no quality of life.

Would you seriously consider it a mental illness if someone in such a miserable situation concluded that he/she doesnt want to live like that?

Mental illnesses are physical illnesses. Sometimes suicidality is caused by mental illness, like hearing voices that are so intrusive that you want to die, or major depressive disorder which is treated by modifying physical attributes like serotonin. The voices are connected to dopamine production...which is why treating Parkinson's psychosis is hard because antipsychotics cause the movement stuff to go nuts....

But Santara, if I am diagnosed with one of these neurocognitive disorders, Alzheimers disease, dementia lewy body, frontotemporal disorders, etc, i will do what Robin Williams did and put a bullet through my skull, and that will be a rational decision, and not a result of a mental illness.

Its flipping the on switch off.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 2 2020 01:13pm

i was thinking the other day on a drive home if my schlong got cut off i'd drive into a tree about 6 months after taking out a sizeable life insurance policy. NTY