Quote (IceMage @ Nov 14 2020 10:34pm)

You're just inserting silly right-wing talking points as a defense of nutty anti-science groups of people who align with your viewpoint. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

Are you trying to say "actually supporting groups who are pro-COVID makes sense because the NYT thinks slavery had more influence on the founding of the country than it actually did"? Is that the argument?

Quote (thundercock @ Nov 14 2020 10:34pm)

The 1619 Project is certainly flawed. However, I'd argue that our history curriculum is completely inadequate. Too many people are ignorant of our past and it precludes them from understanding the issues that we grapple with today.

Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 14 2020 09:41pm)

No, you misunderstand me. I am not defending nutty anti-science groups. I am comparing you to them.

People are ignorant because hardly anyone actually reads their history textbooks. I read it cover to cover (11th grade?) and can say that it was a fair, albeit simplistic, representation of accepted history.

Quote (IceMage @ Nov 14 2020 08:41pm)

Watching this stream and seeing the vast majority of people not masked...

Even if I were a diehard right-populist who hated trade, immigration, globalization, traditional American foreign policy, etc.... I couldn't support any movement so insistent on a policy of spreading a deadly virus as some statement of opposition to ideological enemies.

It's a clear indicator on how the views of these people are not informed by evidence whatsoever.

Theoretically there could exist a right-wing populist movement not supportive of such ridiculousness... but it doesn't exist. And that's an indictment of right-wing populism in general.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 14 Nov 2020 21:44)

Cool. The issue is the curriculum not a specific book.

The American curriculum purposefully leaves out key points in our history, at least in conservative states.

Texas in particular is pretty egregious and they often set the book standard for the nation.

Quote (proccy @ 14 Nov 2020 21:46)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kjDgUx7w9c

Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 14 2020 10:44pm)

Cool. The issue is the curriculum not a specific book.

The American curriculum purposefully leaves out key points in our history, at least in conservative states.

Texas in particular is pretty egregious and they often set the book standard for the nation.

Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 14 2020 10:41pm)

No, you misunderstand me. I am not defending nutty anti-science groups. I am comparing you to them.

Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 14 2020 09:50pm)

The solution to "Texan / southern nationalism" is obviously not to replace it with cultural Marxist propaganda.

Education at a high-school (and under) level should be somewhat pro-nation, as we are trying to build a community. This is why we have holidays commemorating important historical dates, after all.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 14 2020 10:55pm)

Man, gotta love those literal neo-Nazi conspiracy theories (just so you know what you're parroting when you call things cultural Marxism)

It took a shit load of lobbying just to get basic facets of our history taught in high schools in the form of black history month, prior to that there were virtually no black people shown in good light in our history cirriculum.

There's still black kids growing up in Tulsa who never hear about the Tulsa race riots before they get to college.