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I confess my original intentions to starting this thread was to troll trump voters a bit lol

Worthy goal, but frankly, "libertarians" span both the left and the right. The "open borders/one earth" portion of the Libertarian crowd would never vote Trump, or nearly any conservative for that matter. The "Don't step on our rights" libertarian crowd, who're more interested in fewer laws and regulations and taxes that negatively impact them would almost never vote for any Democrat. I don't think the Libertarian vote hurt either party specifically. Instead it leaked votes from both.

If Trump ultimately loses, it's because Trump lost. Nobody to blame but himself.
If Biden ultimately loses, it's because Biden lost. Nobody to blame but himself.

We've had enough of HRC and her bullshit excuses and deflections. Both Biden and Trump will use any Constitutionally-allowed means to insure they ultimately win. One of them will. Whoever that is, good on them.

Fearmongering. Who has taken guns as a president? Ronald Reagan. It is funny, because people have been hysteric in this claim for many years and it never happens, yet the people who are afraid to lose their guns aren't afraid of losing their jobs, health insurance, or homes, like people tend to do when Republicans are in charge of the government. If anything Democrats make ammo valuable. My buddy has a cache of 7.62 that has appreciated well into 6 figures because flat-earthers fearmongering about gun grabbers. Ronald Reagan signed the Brady Bill after someone shot him, not a democrat.

What censorship? Getting fired for saying the N word on television isn't censorship. Not being able to publish something on Twitter that is the equivalent of yelling "fire" in a theater isn't censorship. First Amendment doesn't have the right to Tweet. Tweets for Twits is his only successful government program, and its goal was to lose this election.

GOP picked three judges so wtf are you talking about? GOP did the Merick Garland thing in bad faith because Obama was a lame duck and that's realpolitik. Dems didn't even play dirty....they let the woman tell the sexual assault story about the frat boy which is a pretty common american experience. Truth is that if you're a female in college and you join Greek Life you are five times more likely to be sexually assaulted during college, so we knew by the data this was a serious allegation, and once it was put to rest, he was confirmed. But both parties act about the same in regards to SCOTUS justices.

I mean more fundamental rights, public bathrooms, shopping in stores open to the general public, not to be attacked by the police.



Considering the Democratic party did so objectively bad, failed to flip many/any seats at all, this wasn't a rejection of Republicanism, it was a rejection of Trumpism.

This election makes me think the Republican party will survive Trump.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 5 2020 08:16am

this should honestly be stickied. its a dirty game, whoever wins wins.

This is correct on many levels. While the media and the DNC's ad campaigns, Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube have gone apeshit attempting to point out that "Orange Man's Bad" very little action was taken to point out why their own candidates were good, other than the usual platitudes and empty promises.

RNC spent a lot more of their time on the local races and seats, and pulled a bunch of their funding away from the Presidential bid. I do not know for sure whether they assumed Trump was a shoe-in, or realized they simply could not compete with Dem spending and focused local.

I would like to point out that Dem spending and contributions to the DNC and Dem campaigns was the highest of any election ever. Roughly $7 billion spent this election cycle. More than double the spending of Republicans, and more than Republican and Democratic spending combined in 2016. And the overwhelming majority of the contributions were from Corporations and SuperPACs.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, any Democrat who tells you they want to overturn Citizens United is either a filthy liar, or doesn't actually know anything about politics or campaign spending.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Nov 5 2020 08:32am

I never said people have to vote my way.

You're putting words in my mouth and just running with your own narrative, that's why you see it that way. You talk about assuming how everybody thinks and you do that exact thing.

And I can voice my opinion, it's a pretty sane and rational position I took.

Look at my original post that you responded to.

Well it's hard to say. You can hope he doesn't follow through on his promises. But you also have to think of how Kamala will take action if she becomes president, which is a possible scenario.

Antifa is a pretty big deal. Look at Andy Ngo's twitter page.

They're running through Portland again and have been responsible for deaths, assaults, and massive amounts of riot damage. It really does sound like a terrorist group. They basically want to overthrow the government.

People said all this stuff about Trump rioters. So far what I see is Antifa

And those are far more than just "scary labels". Lol. They have literally influenced government policies.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Nov 5 2020 08:38am

i find rioters and looters to be a serious issue, and i see a biden presidency as helping there 100x more than trump. when u take ur foot off gas you dont come to a dead stop, but u do slow down over time.

both biden and kamala are panderers to the fringe left but are centrist pragmatists bound to corporate interests. im not a fan of either, nor am i scared of them or their policy.

if influencing govt policy is the bar u set for scary id say thats too low. i can find govt policy from radical portland or bumfuck alabama where fringe extremists have influenced policy to a causal degree, or national policy flavored with the spice of both fringes core tenants. but im more scared of a burnt t-bone than a whiff of a spice i dont like such as rosemary.

I actually agree with your top 2 parts but probably for different reasons. I also think any fringe policy will get checked out by the Senate, and SCOTUS as well.

And I agree, people probably won't know what to do anymore with no Orange Man. The media narrative also can't run with that either. Trump definitely agitated it up at times, with some of his words, but on the flip side.

I don't know if he had a choice, they boasted him as Fascist Dictator and told people they have to take action. And they'll highlight any possible negative about him, whether a valid point or not. So the media will just villify him either way. He could wave in a car ride around a building and they would bash him -- oh wait.

With Kamala/Biden, they might start sweeping the riots up with less negative media coverage since it doesn't play a positive image to their party. They won't have a choice because you can't pin it on someone else if it's in a Democrat state with a Democrat presidency.

Less media coverage = out of sight, out of mind.

I think we are already seeing some of that. For example. The first day after the election, the Oregon Governor suddenly has the National Guard deployed to Portland to swipe at Antifa.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Nov 5 2020 09:11am

trump and how he's treated is a self fulfilling prophecy.

he rose through the GOP ranks using inflammatory statements and harsh rhetoric as a tool to get free press, that was his choice initially. but it set the course for his next 5 years of media treatment in a chicken/egg relationship. trump blames media, media blames trump, ad nauseum.

i do agree especially tho that a GOP senate and weakened house will check biden or even president kamala should it come to that.