Modern day unions are a joke

At this point in my life, I am tired of debating religion. Perhaps some other time.



Of course, do you think I disagree with any of this?

We must take care when shaping society so as to reward good behavior and discourage bad. Forgive your son when he errs and seeks redemption. But enabling vice is not virtue.

Maybe we interpret the text differently. To me, it comes off as have empathy for fellow men. Telling them to work or die is not empathy. I used to lack empathy, and during that time I subscribed to right wing ideology. That has since been fixed and I can't really go back to that.
I would qualify the work or die mentality as failing to meet the criteria of "Modesty consists in an awareness of the perspective of others and a readiness to curtail one’s own unseemly behavior; love of humanity is a willingness to exert oneself on others’ behalf."

This post was edited by Mangix on Oct 29 2020 01:07pm

What does empathy mean to you? If I refuse to help myself, will you support me?

Yes. I don't know what mental disorders you have, but I don't want you to die because of them.

This post was edited by Mangix on Oct 29 2020 01:57pm

I'm mostly sane. And mostly sane people need to be encouraged to work for the greater good.

In our private lives, we can do this by being empathetic, generous, and kind. In public life, we need leaders who will make the hard decisions necessary for progress.

Oh sorry, I didn't mean that directly at you. Its just you that I'm talking to, so I naturally used "you".

I think most people are encouraged to work and to produce when they exist under a system that immediately rewards them for their labor.
Like a worker at a pharma company doesn't get rewarded with the patent on a product they create, instead that goes to the CEO above them or to the company itself. (I'm not sure who gets it, but its not the person putting in the labor) Our current system encourages its people to do the bare minimum required to not be fired, so that they do not starve. I do not think this is a productive way forward.

Given that view I hold.
The workers are not compensated appropriately or not taken care of in many ways and thus unions exist as a bandaid on capitalism to stop them from being taken advantage of.
Which is why up until the jobs dropped out of America, a lot of people in manual labor industries were part of unions.

There is nothing inherently wrong with unions, only specific unions.
I would say during times of bad behavior by a union it is the responsibility of society, and more importantly the members of that union that care about it being around long term to oust these people.
If that becomes impossible the responsible members of it should remove themselves and form a new one.

I think we have the ability to be empathetic both publicly and privately. There is more than enough capital to go around.

Sorry I can't help but tangent every time I post because I love discourse lol. Feel free to only reply to the core point at the bottom.

This post was edited by Mangix on Oct 29 2020 02:36pm

They should be entirely dissasembled. Just another communist kuk of an idea creeping in our society. All these washed up hippies and their delusion of paradise trying to control everything

This post was edited by addone on Oct 29 2020 08:14pm

It should be legal to have multiple unions in the same shop - private sector.
It should be illegal to have any union in a shop - public sector.

Imagine out of choice asking to work for someone then proceed to tell them with how they should run their business with a threat of litigation. If you don't like a company don't work or buy from them. OR Start your own company and pay those wages/hours etc like you demanding yourself. That is the definition of anti freedom. You may discuss pay rise/hours etc with the employer no one is stopping you.