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Oct 28 2020 12:33pm
Glenn Greenwald: "a Democratic Party fully united with neocons, Bush/Cheney operatives, CIA/FBI/NSA, Wall St & Silicon Valley: presenting itself as the only protection against fascism."

Rallying behind a corrupt career politician who is lying and plagiarizing his way into power.

A 4 year temper tantrum filled with all kinds of vile smears and attacks(verbal and physical). Riots in the streets. Pandering to and becoming literal socialists.
Calling people who vote against it 'racists, fascists and deplorables'
They've called for and engaged in attacking Trump supporters and non-leftists in the streets and at speaking events.
The VP choice is a dirty prosecutor who raised money to let leftist rioters and violent criminals out of jail.

The party of court packing, anti-capitalism, force-funded abortions, theft, and abolishing the second amendment.

An unholy alliance designed to get back to bloodsoaked warmongering business as usual.

But the scum of the earth at bulwark and the Lincoln project say things like 'flimflammery' and complain about tweets so democrats and neocons are the party of upstanding character who should be given more power? LMAO.
Find your soul.

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Oct 28 2020 12:51pm
Quote (Budgeting @ Oct 28 2020 05:21pm)
but what policy??? trump and his followers have no policy lmao


MAGA you numbnut

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Oct 28 2020 12:55pm
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MAGA you numbnut


so had 4 yrs in office and is still campaigning to do the same thing?? lmao
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Oct 28 2020 12:58pm
Quote (IceMage @ 28 Oct 2020 17:03)
https://morningshots.thebulwark.com/p/the-middle-finger-election

A common defense from Trump defenders is that they don't care about personality or character, they care about policy.

But looking at the Republican party today, it's vastly less serious, more conspiratorial, more dishonest, and more abrasive than it was in 2016. I think some of the left's excesses are a response to this. If Trump gets reaffirmed by the American people, I don't know why any politician going forward on the left or right would try to sell ideas of normalcy, decency, compromise, patriotic unity, etc.

The notion that Trump wouldn't infect the Republican party with his nastiness is no longer valid. It's happened.

You're getting the chain of causality wrong. Trump is not the cause, he's the symptom. A man like Trump only had an opening to win the presidency in the first place because America had become so damn divided; only because the corruption and contempt for the common people had become so pervasive all across Washington politics; and only because the country had already been in a state of undeclared "Cold civil War".

Trump's purpose was never to reconcile a divided nation or to bridge the gaping partisan divide. His purpose was to expose the rot, to expose the true state of the country. For all his failings, Trump did a remarkably good job in this regard, he exposed both sides. Of course all the groups who benefitted from the rotten status quo, including upscale suburbanites, shrieked when Trump laid open the ugly true state of America.


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So I wonder whether Trump supporters here view this as a welcome development. Do you buy into the notion that politics going forward should be an all out war, with civility, decency, and compromise being silly relics of the past? And for fellow anti-Trumpers, if he wins this election, what lessons should we take from that?

Both the Democratic and Republican party machines are fucking TRASH. They are enemies of the people, they are the scum of the earth. They must, and deserve to be, destroyed. In my personal opinion, civility, decency, compromise and a national healing are only possible if American politics is realigned or reconfigured fundamentally. The class conflict has to become the main cleavage of American politics again, not guns, abortion, race or girls-with-dicks.

Both mainstream parties must be destroyed for that to happen, so that something new and better can be built on top of the rubble. I am not a classical conservative, and have no affection for the pre-Trump GOP. Therefore, I, personally, won't shed a tear if Trump destroys the GOP of old from within, I applaud him for doing so. Similarly, I applaud him for triggering the left so hard that they willingly expose themselves - the corruption and uselessness of 'corporate democrats' and the dangerous, endless insanity of the 'Bernie-AOC wing'.

From my perspective, things were only starting to go wrong when the pandemic hit and bailed Democrats out big time. Instead of receiving the deserved punishment for refusing to learn the proper lessons from their 2016 defeat and instead doubling down on their mistakes, they are now headed toward unified control of the federal government thanks to virus ex machina and Trump's incompetence. Trump absolutely deserves to lose the election, he failed to properly govern and lead the country one too many times - but at the same time, Democrats absolutely do not deserve to win this election.

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Oct 28 2020 01:04pm
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so had 4 yrs in office and is still campaigning to do the same thing?? lmao


Everything was going great until the COVID-19 crisis. A crisis that would have struck any other administration and has struck all over the world.

But you're well aware of that. You're simply a shitposting TDS sufferer and a waste of time

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 28 2020 01:58pm)
You're getting the chain of causality wrong. Trump is not the cause, he's the symptom. A man like Trump only had an opening to win the presidency in the first place because America had become so damn divided; only because the corruption and contempt for the common people had become so pervasive all across Washington politics; and only because the country had already been in a state of undeclared "Cold civil War".

Trump's purpose was never to reconcile a divided nation or to bridge the gaping partisan divide. His purpose was to expose the rot, to expose the true state of the country. For all his failings, Trump did a remarkably good job in this regard, he exposed both sides. Of course all the groups who benefitted from the rotten status quo, including upscale suburbanites, shrieked when Trump laid open the bare nerves of the country.



Both the Democratic and Republican party machines are fucking TRASH. They are enemies of the people, they are the scum of the earth. They must, and deserve to be, destroyed. In my personal opinion, civility, decency, compromise and a national healing are only possible if American politics is realigned or reconfigured fundamentally. The class conflict has to become the main cleavage of American politics again, not guns, abortion, race or girls-with-dicks.

Both mainstream parties must be destroyed for that to happen, so that something new and better can be built on top of the rubble. I am not a classical conservative, and have no affection for the pre-Trump GOP. Therefore, I, personally, won't shed a tear if Trump destroys the GOP of old, I applaud him for destroying them from within. Similarly, I applaud him for triggering the left so hard that they willingly expose themselves - the corruption and uselessness of 'corporate democrats' and the dangerous, endless insanity of the 'Bernie-AOC wing'.

From my perspective, things were only starting to go wrong when the pandemic hit and bailed Democrats out big time. Instead of receiving the deserved punishment for refusing to learn the proper lessons from their 2016 defeat and instead doubling down on it, they are now headed toward unified control of the federal government thanks to virus ex machina and Trump's incompetence. Trump absolutely deserves to lose the election, he failed to properly govern and lead the country one too many times - but at the same time, Democrats absolutely do not deserve to win this election.


that's a cute write up, but if we're being honest a black dude got elected and trump was the blowback.

yes there are factors like outsourcing, environmental regulations, gun control, gay rights, cj reform, etc.

but if u had to make the simplest answer its that a black guy got in and they elected a vocal white guys who hated the black guy.

people like to use sneaky language around the Obama presidency, "he divided us", "polarization started with obama" etc. while leaving out a big part of the division was that he was black.

this is america.
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Oct 28 2020 01:07pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 28 2020 02:05pm)
that's a cute write up, but if we're being honest a black dude got elected and trump was the blowback.
yes there are factors like outsourcing, environmental regulations, gun control, gay rights, cj reform, etc.
but if u had to make the simplest answer its that a black guy got in and they elected a vocal white guys who hated the black guy.
people like to use sneaky language around the Obama presidency, "he divided us", "polarization started with obama" etc. while leaving out a big part of the division was that he was black.
this is america.


So glad the middle people are finally acknowledging this lol

I don't have IceMage calling me crazy for pointing out that rural America is still fucking filled with racists.
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Oct 28 2020 01:08pm
Quote (Djunior @ Oct 28 2020 03:04pm)
Everything was going great until the COVID-19 crisis. A crisis that would have struck any other administration and has struck all over the world.

But you're well aware of that. You're simply a shitposting TDS sufferer and a waste of time

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this is actually false. economic indicators were slipping pre covid.

and you cant just blame covid. if trump actually worked with the states instead basically letting covid run rampant it would probably be a lot better.

you have a more severe case of TDS - trump devotion syndrome which blinds you harder it does to your momma when i shoot my load in her eyes
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Quote (thesnipa @ 28 Oct 2020 21:05)
that's a cute write up, but if we're being honest a black dude got elected and trump was the blowback.

yes there are factors like outsourcing, environmental regulations, gun control, gay rights, cj reform, etc.

but if u had to make the simplest answer its that a black guy got in and they elected a vocal white guys who hated the black guy.

people like to use sneaky language around the Obama presidency, "he divided us", "polarization started with obama" etc. while leaving out a big part of the division was that he was black.

this is america.


I've said time and time again that Obama didnt start the division. It goes back to the civil rights movement and Reaganism. Maybe other Trump supporters were indeed motivated by a subconscious "black man bad"-mentality, I am not.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 28 2020 03:05pm)
that's a cute write up, but if we're being honest a black dude got elected and trump was the blowback.

yes there are factors like outsourcing, environmental regulations, gun control, gay rights, cj reform, etc.

but if u had to make the simplest answer its that a black guy got in and they elected a vocal white guys who hated the black guy.

people like to use sneaky language around the Obama presidency, "he divided us", "polarization started with obama" etc. while leaving out a big part of the division was that he was black.

this is america.


this is 100% what it is and why repubs let trump do whatever he wants. they want to affirm white supremacy and essentially make it hell for any POC to be in charge in the US.
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