Quote (IceMage @ 28 Oct 2020 17:03)
https://morningshots.thebulwark.com/p/the-middle-finger-electionA common defense from Trump defenders is that they don't care about personality or character, they care about policy.
But looking at the Republican party today, it's vastly less serious, more conspiratorial, more dishonest, and more abrasive than it was in 2016. I think some of the left's excesses are a response to this. If Trump gets reaffirmed by the American people, I don't know why any politician going forward on the left or right would try to sell ideas of normalcy, decency, compromise, patriotic unity, etc.
The notion that Trump wouldn't infect the Republican party with his nastiness is no longer valid. It's happened.
You're getting the chain of causality wrong. Trump is not the cause, he's the symptom. A man like Trump only had an opening to win the presidency in the first place because America had become so damn divided; only because the corruption and contempt for the common people had become so pervasive all across Washington politics; and only because the country had already been in a state of undeclared "Cold civil War".
Trump's purpose was never to reconcile a divided nation or to bridge the gaping partisan divide. His purpose was to expose the rot, to expose the true state of the country. For all his failings, Trump did a remarkably good job in this regard, he exposed both sides. Of course all the groups who benefitted from the rotten status quo, including upscale suburbanites, shrieked when Trump laid open the ugly true state of America.
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So I wonder whether Trump supporters here view this as a welcome development. Do you buy into the notion that politics going forward should be an all out war, with civility, decency, and compromise being silly relics of the past? And for fellow anti-Trumpers, if he wins this election, what lessons should we take from that?
Both the Democratic and Republican party machines are fucking TRASH. They are enemies of the people, they are the scum of the earth. They must, and deserve to be, destroyed. In my personal opinion, civility, decency, compromise and a national healing are only possible if American politics is realigned or reconfigured fundamentally. The class conflict has to become the main cleavage of American politics again, not guns, abortion, race or girls-with-dicks.
Both mainstream parties must be destroyed for that to happen, so that something new and better can be built on top of the rubble. I am not a classical conservative, and have no affection for the pre-Trump GOP. Therefore, I, personally, won't shed a tear if Trump destroys the GOP of old from within, I applaud him for doing so. Similarly, I applaud him for triggering the left so hard that they willingly expose themselves - the corruption and uselessness of 'corporate democrats' and the dangerous, endless insanity of the 'Bernie-AOC wing'.
From my perspective, things were only starting to go wrong when the pandemic hit and bailed Democrats out big time. Instead of receiving the deserved punishment for refusing to learn the proper lessons from their 2016 defeat and instead doubling down on their mistakes, they are now headed toward unified control of the federal government thanks to virus ex machina and Trump's incompetence. Trump absolutely deserves to lose the election, he failed to properly govern and lead the country one too many times - but at the same time, Democrats absolutely do not deserve to win this election.
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 28 2020 01:06pm