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Oct 11 2020 09:16pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Oct 11 2020 08:10pm)
All they did was shoot them and leave them laying everywhere, disgusting.


Yeah, that's not a thing in most of rural Canada. You're likley to be run out of town. We donate to elders groups, skins are usd for camping, almost everything is used for food be it human or dog.
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I feel bad for fender losing his home but the law is the law.


lol

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Quote (duffman316 @ Oct 11 2020 11:28am)
If you steal something long enough its yours?



How do you think the United States exists?
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Oct 12 2020 01:12pm
Quote (dro94 @ 11 Oct 2020 16:48)
I feel bad for fender losing his home but the law is the law.




great post my friend!
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Oct 12 2020 01:33pm
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How do you think the United States exists?


Squatters rights
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Squatters rights


Basically lol

We moved in, took a bunch of land, traded for some of it, and finally said "fuck you, we can use it better" and murdered them off their land.

It's a travesty of modern education that the average person has such a limited understanding of property rights. Like, I took social studies all through elementary and middle school and we didn't learn anything useful.
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Oct 12 2020 02:18pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 12 2020 02:57pm)
Basically lol

We moved in, took a bunch of land, traded for some of it, and finally said "fuck you, we can use it better" and murdered them off their land.

It's a travesty of modern education that the average person has such a limited understanding of property rights. Like, I took social studies all through elementary and middle school and we didn't learn anything useful.


we do use it better.

natives remained a largely nomadic hunter gatherer society because of relative abundance. in places like Europe and the Middle East scarcity forced populations of nomads to learn farming and animal domestication to survive. whereas in the americas it ranged from stagnant HG societies to nomadic 3 to 4 stage migration HG societies.

ironic that the very abundance of natural resources would lead over 200k years or so to a drastic technological gap between the two societies. even more ironic that the deadly weapons which this gap created weren't the cause of widespread genocide, it was happenstance germ exposure.

most indians weren't murdered off their land, they died from incidental contact. although once 90% died we did force the rest into an area similar in size to Rhode Island.

the real crime of the indian saga has never been the land passage or even the death of 90% of the population, it is the cultural genocide that followed that was a real crime against humanity.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 12 2020 03:18pm)
we do use it better.

natives remained a largely nomadic hunter gatherer society because of relative abundance. in places like Europe and the Middle East scarcity forced populations of nomads to learn farming and animal domestication to survive. whereas in the americas it ranged from stagnant HG societies to nomadic 3 to 4 stage migration HG societies.

ironic that the very abundance of natural resources would lead over 200k years or so to a drastic technological gap between the two societies. even more ironic that the deadly weapons which this gap created weren't the cause of widespread genocide, it was happenstance germ exposure.

most indians weren't murdered off their land, they died from incidental contact. although once 90% died we did force the rest into an area similar in size to Rhode Island.

the real crime of the indian saga has never been the land passage or even the death of 90% of the population, it is the cultural genocide that followed that was a real crime against humanity.


Natives didn't remain nomadic hunter gatherers lol. That's so wrong it hurts to read.

Prior to Leif Erikson introducing diseases before the modern European movement they had cities with hundreds of thousands of people, they had well defined territories for tribes and even had treaties between nations with our constitution being modeled off of the Iroquois Confederacy, who also were a major player in military conflicts prior to the founding of the United States.

In the south the Inca empire dominated the Andies (sp?) and conquered a ton of territory, effectively controlling the west half of South America, and had incredibly well kept records for agriculture which resulted in thousands of different species of potato so they could be grown in every part of the empire.

The real issue is they didn't have any livestock that was capable of being domesticated, except maybe Llamas. This also meant they didn't have plagues since plagues come from species-jumping infectious agents.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 12 2020 03:30pm)
Natives didn't remain nomadic hunter gatherers lol. That's so wrong it hurts to read.

Prior to Leif Erikson introducing diseases before the modern European movement they had cities with hundreds of thousands of people, they had well defined territories for tribes and even had treaties between nations with our constitution being modeled off of the Iroquois Confederacy, who also were a major player in military conflicts prior to the founding of the United States.

In the south the Inca empire dominated the Andies (sp?) and conquered a ton of territory, effectively controlling the west half of South America, and had incredibly well kept records for agriculture which resulted in thousands of different species of potato so they could be grown in every part of the empire.

The real issue is they didn't have any livestock that was capable of being domesticated, except maybe Llamas. This also meant they didn't have plagues since plagues come from species-jumping infectious agents.


large numbers of natives upon arrival of europeans were still nomadic hunter gatherers. Think dances with wolves winter camp. the existence of mesoamerican populous civilizations doesn't magically erase western plains natives, or midwestern native tribes, or eastern gathering natives.

plains natives specifically ranged in an area in their territory. there were a few areas in the midwest where large scale civilizations sprung up.

but i think overall you're simply taking my point too literally, that being that where scarcity existed as a general rule farming and agriculture arose, and where abundance existed as a general rule technological advancement was far slower.

whether its animal domestication, farming, metallurgy, etc. even if it was present in the americas it was far less advanced. the only exception i can think of is stone cutting of the Inca, which is still not really known how they accomplished.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 12 2020 02:39pm
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 12 2020 03:57pm)
Basically lol

We moved in, took a bunch of land, traded for some of it, and finally said "fuck you, we can use it better" and murdered them off their land.

It's a travesty of modern education that the average person has such a limited understanding of property rights. Like, I took social studies all through elementary and middle school and we didn't learn anything useful.


We have a group of hippies in canada claiming current day citizens are "settlers" and we ought to all bend the knee in submission to our alcoholic indigenous superiors

It may have been their land once but it certainly ain't no more and a few hundred years from now it may not belong to the western imperialists anyway
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