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Sep 20 2020 01:45pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 20 2020 12:24pm)
It's not clear that these natural disasters are linked to climate change. Natural disasters after all happen all the time. We expect that they will occur at an increased frequency going forward, but are they? Depends on the natural disaster, and the evidence isn't nearly so clear-cut.

Nobody is being dishonest here. Bernie was Bernie. He made a bad post. The GND is criticized because it is incredibly expensive and highly unrealistic. Pointing to a few natural disasters and demanding an extreme solution is not an argument, but it's par for the course for America's comrade.



The GND is cheap as fuck.
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Sep 20 2020 01:48pm
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We don't talk about it here because ParD is an anti-science right wing forum. You won't make any progress, and you shouldn't try.




57% not 'right wing'
Ink : ParD is a right wing forum

Quote (inkanddagger @ Sep 20 2020 02:19pm)
Essentially, your only option is to wait for the coming Civil War this January and take out as many Trump supporters as you can to save the planet.


Who will you be fighting for this upcoming civil war? I don't think you fit in either side, both are too far to the right for your standards.

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Quote (inkanddagger @ Sep 20 2020 09:45pm)
The GND is cheap as fuck.


Compared to the costs of doing nothing, extremely so. Most people are too focused on the here and now though, sadly.

I've personally been fairly successfull at convincing people to vote for green parties/legislature by making the argument for energy independence.
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Sep 20 2020 01:50pm
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57% not 'right wing'
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Who will you be fighting for this upcoming civil war? I don't think you fit in either side, both are too far to the right for your standards.


People like Ghot, who are so far up Trumps ass he can't see daylight, self describe as center on this forum.

North Korea isn't a peoples republic either btw
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Quote (WiziLiCe @ Sep 20 2020 12:48pm)
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57% not 'right wing'
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Who will you be fighting for this upcoming civil war? I don't think you fit in either side, both are too far to the right for your standards.


Anyone calling themselves a moderate here is center-right. Most of the "Left" people here are also centrists or socially center left liberals.



I'll be fighting for Free Cascadia.


The Green New Deal doesn't have a net cost.

https://newrepublic.com/article/153702/green-new-deal-costs-less-nothing

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Compared to the costs of doing nothing, extremely so. Most people are too focused on the here and now though, sadly.

I've personally been fairly successfull at convincing people to vote for green parties/legislature by making the argument for energy independence.

you will be sad to learn what the democratic party has been doing to the green party.
democrats often state that the republican party is preventing people from voting... as they actively remove a party from the ballot in key swing states.

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Sep 20 2020 05:03pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 20 2020 03:43pm)
Yes, they are happening with increased frequency. The increasingly dry conditions are making places like Australia burn more frequently and further, and it's also happening on the East coast. Hurricanes are getting more intense, droughts have become increasingly common, etc. etc.

I said before, the only way these criticisms make sense is if you're just ignorant of the subject matter, and it's seeming to be the case.


So is misguided land management policy, and at least in Australia, the evidence is just as damning.

No one is arguing that climate change doesn't exist or whatever the straw man is that you've constructed in your mind. But that does not mean that every flood and fire is evidence of man made climate change, nor that radical and hyper expensive policy are the natural answer.
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Who will you be fighting for this upcoming civil war? I don't think you fit in either side, both are too far to the right for your standards.


"Centre right" you need some mental training.
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Sep 20 2020 05:24pm
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So is misguided land management policy, and at least in Australia, the evidence is just as damning.

No one is arguing that climate change doesn't exist or whatever the straw man is that you've constructed in your mind. But that does not mean that every flood and fire is evidence of man made climate change, nor that radical and hyper expensive policy are the natural answer.


Except I never argued that any specific event is due to global warming, and neither did Bernie.

It's funny you say I'm constructing a straw man right before you smack a straw man.

The argument is that increasing instances of natural disasters will cost money, the mitigation of which offsets the cost of things meant to address the problem like the Green New Deal.

It's really that simple. You guys keep trying to say "Bernie said that the GND specifically would have stopped these exact disasters", which is just the dumbest take you could possibly have, and is only reasonable if you are going out of your way to ignore the fact that he referenced the events he did because they deal with frequency and basic scientific context on the issue.
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Sep 20 2020 05:51pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 20 2020 07:24pm)
Except I never argued that any specific event is due to global warming, and neither did Bernie.

It's funny you say I'm constructing a straw man right before you smack a straw man.

The argument is that increasing instances of natural disasters will cost money, the mitigation of which offsets the cost of things meant to address the problem like the Green New Deal.

It's really that simple. You guys keep trying to say "Bernie said that the GND specifically would have stopped these exact disasters", which is just the dumbest take you could possibly have, and is only reasonable if you are going out of your way to ignore the fact that he referenced the events he did because they deal with frequency and basic scientific context on the issue.


That's actually exactly what he's saying. That these instances are specifically caused by climate change, that they cost money, and that the GND (which will stop these things) is cheap by comparison.
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