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Jul 25 2020 02:47am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 25 Jul 2020 09:55)
Hoo boy are you just loaded with confirmation bias.

None of the information you are referencing came from Trump. We've known about it just like everybody else for decades, the real contention is how it can be solved, if it can even be solved. Trump has done dick didley to solve it, and he hasn't actually proposed any legislation or action that would solve it. He wasn't the first one to identify the problem. He's used the problem that was already recognized but without a solution to create division. Again, Trump isn't somebody with special insight. He's grabbing things others have said and used it to construct an other.


Do you dispute that Democrats, mainstream media and most elites (not just liberal ones) denounced and decried his early efforts at (economically and strategically) containing China?

I agree that his approach is too short-sighted and that he has neither the intellectual capability nor the executive skills to pull this off by himself - but he's still the first American president in decades to take direct action against China instead of kowtowing to them. Obama, Bush Jr and Clinton afaik did fuckall on China.
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Jul 25 2020 02:53am
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Do you dispute that Democrats, mainstream media and most elites (not just liberal ones) denounced and decried his early efforts at (economically and strategically) containing China?

I agree that his approach is too short-sighted and that he has neither the intellectual capability nor the executive skills to pull this off by himself - but he's still the first American president in decades to take direct action against China instead of kowtowing to them. Obama, Bush Jr and Clinton afaik did fuckall on China.


Trump has done fuckall to contain China lol

He did some tarrifs that hurt American jobs more than it helped so he coukd brag about winning. He basically shot himself in the foot and you exclaimed that him getting blood on China is taking them on.

This is just the immigration issue all over again. He makes some strong words, implements token policy that wouldnt work even if given free reign, and his suppirters claim it as a win because he talked about it and "took action"

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Quote (Thor123422 @ 25 Jul 2020 10:53)
Trump has done fuckall to contain China lol

He did some tarrifs that hurt American jobs more than it helped so he coukd brag about winning. He basically shot himself in the foot and you exclaimed that him getting blood on China is taking them on.

This is just the immigration issue all over again. He makes some strong words, implements token policy that wouldnt work even if given free reign, and his suppirters claim it as a win because he talked about it and "took action"


On both China and immigration, Trump stood for a paradigm shift, and on both issues, he imho is right in that a paradigm shift is necessary going forward. At least on China, this paradigm shift seems to have been achieved by now, although the breakthrough admittedly came through reports about Chinese treatment of Hong Kong and the Uyghurs.
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