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Jul 16 2020 05:07pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 16 2020 04:05pm)
This entire thread is a back and forth on definitions.

They clearly prescribed him estrogen because they thought his testosterone levels were too high and that this was creating problematic behavior. The doctors believed feminizing him was the cure.

Whether this constitutes "gender transition" is besides the point. It's a case of gross child abuse and criminal experimentation predicated on a belief that elevated testosterone levels are something to correct.

The doctors should be criminally charged and be forced to register as sex offenders.


They probably will be...

Why are they sex offenders though?
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Jul 16 2020 05:08pm
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They probably will be...

Why are they sex offenders though?


What else do we call people who criminally mess with the sexual organs of minors?
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Jul 16 2020 05:14pm
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What else do we call people who criminally mess with the sexual organs of minors?


Republicans ?
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What else do we call people who criminally mess with the sexual organs of minors?


That's reserved for sexual assault and public indecency. This is bad medicine and should be treated as such.
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Jul 16 2020 05:15pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 16 2020 04:05pm)
This entire thread is a back and forth on definitions.

They clearly prescribed him estrogen because they thought his testosterone levels were too high and that this was creating problematic behavior. The doctors believed feminizing him was the cure.

Whether this constitutes "gender transition" is besides the point. It's a case of gross child abuse and criminal experimentation predicated on a belief that elevated testosterone levels are something to correct.

The doctors should be criminally charged and be forced to register as sex offenders.


But it isn't though.

Goom is just seeing what he wants to see. All other reasonable people see this for what it is.
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Jul 16 2020 05:17pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jul 16 2020 05:58pm)
Why would you cite something that refutes your editorializing, Goom? The plaintiffs literally state:





Nowhere in the entire document will you find the words "gender", "transition", etc. The very plaintiff in the case describes the 'experimental treatment' being administered because of a medically unsound attempt to lower his testosterone levels because the doctors believed it was a contributing factor to his behavior.

You're literally editorializing this story in a way that the very plaintiff in this case doesn't agree with.


Estrodial doesn't effectively lower testosterone levels on its own. They weren't attempting to lower his testosterone with anti-androgens, they were attempting to increase his estrogen levels to feminize his behavior. That's not some medically insignificant quibble. He didn't have very high testosterone to begin with, and they didn't put him on medication to lower his testosterone, instead they ascribed his behavior to elevated testosterone and decided pump him full of female sex hormones to change his behavior- and necessarily his physiology. You keep acting as if they put him on a testosterone lowering regime, they didn't. They put him on gender transition hormones. The 'normal' prescription for HRT is to give 2 mm estrodial daily and testosterone blockers like spironolactone, and increasing to 6-8 mm estrogen daily.

They weren't lowering some kids too-high t-levels. They were giving him female hormones for the explicit purpose of changing his behavior to be more feminine, and the actual effect of making his sexual development more feminine.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 16 2020 05:23pm
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Estrodial doesn't effectively lower testosterone levels on its own. They weren't attempting to lower his testosterone with anti-androgens, they were attempting to increase his estrogen levels to feminize his behavior. That's not some medically insignificant quibble. He didn't have very high testosterone to begin with, and they didn't put him on medication to lower his testosterone, instead they ascribed his behavior to elevated testosterone and decided pump him full of female sex hormones to change his behavior- and necessarily his physiology. You keep acting as if they put him on a testosterone lowering regime, they didn't. They put him on gender transition hormones. The 'normal' prescription for HRT is to give 2 mm estrodial daily and testosterone blockers like spironolactone, and increasing to 6-8 mm estrogen daily.

They weren't lowering some kids too-high t-levels. They were giving him female hormones for the explicit purpose of changing his behavior to be more feminine, and the actual effect of making his sexual development more feminine.


You're right, this is all a result of SJWs going too far, and now doctors are forcing gender transitions in order to combat toxic masculinity! They're out here forcing men to become women.

I also heard there's a child sex ring operation out of Comet Ping Pong Pizza. It's really wild out there!
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Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 16 2020 05:39pm)
:bonk:

He was diagnosed with a exhibiting too many masculine personality traits due to too much testosterone, and forcibly given estrogen to develop more feminine psychical and psychological traits. But hey that's totally the same thing as a person with schizophrenia being given zyprexa.


There is no way for you to possibly know this because medical records are confidential. You are reporting hearsay from an emotional family.

There is no diagnosis for too masculine personality traits. If there is show me in the DSM-V.

And if the individual is in the spectrum as a lot of ODD people are then antipsychotics are indicated for behavioral reasons, usually risperdal, which will elevate your prolactin and grow you know whats. Mentally retarded people often have breast from antipsychotic use despite not having any psychotic disorder because antipsychotics are major neuroleptics as well. We use em for our dying people as well.

Again you are reporting hearsay because it is impossible for you to be quoting the medical record and you don't know shit about the patient or the care episode. In this matter you are a low information individual who read something hyperbolic and spun by someone and got emotional about it and made some stupid claims about gender reassignment coming from a purely concrete misunderstanding of hormone therapy.

You have no facts and the doctors would actually violate this patient's rights by revealing protected health information.

If you do have the inside scoop, maybe some discharge papers, then let us know why the patient was incarcerated, and if his parents have decision making power in his life because incarceration children often have court appointed guardians due to the poor parenting that led them to kiddie jail.

So Dx, reason for incarceration, who is guardian, and something besides feelz, or gtfo with this.


Quote (Kiseki @ Jul 16 2020 06:36pm)
WAIT LOL THEY PRESCRIBED HIM ESTROGEN THAT THIS SHIT ARTICLE DOESNT EVEN SAY THE AMOUNT OF AND APPARENTLY IN 13 DAYS HE GREW BREASTS? ROFL

WHAT IDIOT WOULD BELIEVE ANY OF THIS


Only if transition was this easy lol.


Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 16 2020 06:44pm)
Well lets hear what the other side has to say, and if they deny it, or try to rationalize it.
Will seem quite hard to deny some of the factual claims like the drugs being forced on him in a coercive environment without parental consent
And the less easily proven aspects of the accusation go further:

https://i.imgur.com/cXFsfOw.jpg


Didn't you read my post? It is protected health information. And if they reveal protected health information of a minor in juvie court do you think we will be privy to it?


Quote (thundercock @ Jul 16 2020 06:47pm)
Man, when did Goomshill fall off his rocker? This is embarrassing...


Yep. Usually he puts his brain on in the morning.

There are plenty of regulatory bodies to address it, but it won't be in public. This will be in juvie court where the kid has probably spent his whole life.


Quote (duffman316 @ Jul 16 2020 07:34pm)
The doctor is my neighbor and he told me he was doing it to force a gender transition on the kid


That's enough evidence for some people here.

Did he say which guardian gave consent for treatment and why the kid is incarcerated?


Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 16 2020 07:08pm)
What else do we call people who criminally mess with the sexual organs of minors?


Are you circumsized? You mom is a sex offender dude.

Bogie: "i mean messing with childrens sex organs in ways i don't agree with".

Ok.

Get your +1s in here everyone

If this same kid is a black kid that the cops shoot the same people will be making excuses. Your morals are all fucked up.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 16 2020 05:42pm
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The doctor is my neighbor and he told me he was doing it to force a gender transition on the kid
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Jul 16 2020 06:28pm)
You're right, this is all a result of SJWs going too far, and now doctors are forcing gender transitions in order to combat toxic masculinity! They're out here forcing men to become women.

I also heard there's a child sex ring operation out of Comet Ping Pong Pizza. It's really wild out there!


I'm pretty sure that the medical attitudes towards transgenderism and academic prejudice against masculinity are exactly what opened the door for this kind of abuse.
As much as the eugenicists of the 1930s eventually enabled Mengele. Does that mean that H.G. Wells and Hellen Keller were in favor of vivisecting jewish twin children?
You open the door and someone walks through it and then goes too far.

Quote (Skinned @ Jul 16 2020 06:29pm)
There is no diagnosis for too masculine personality traits. If there is show me in the DSM-V.

And if the individual is in the spectrum as a lot of ODD people are then antipsychotics are indicated for behavioral reasons, usually risperdal, which will elevate your prolactin and grow you know whats. Mentally retarded people often have breast from antipsychotic use despite not having any psychotic disorder because antipsychotics are major neuroleptics as well. We use em for our dying people as well.


Maybe open that DSM-V and tell me if someone can be diagnosed with ODD in a single day of observation, and whether estrogen is a prescribed treatment.

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Again you are reporting hearsay because it is impossible for you to be quoting the medical record and you don't know shit about the patient or the care episode. In this matter you are a low information individual who read something hyperbolic and spun by someone and got emotional about it and made some stupid claims about gender reassignment coming from a purely concrete misunderstanding of hormone therapy.


I quoted directly from the civil suit:
https://witnessla.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Estrogen-complaint-Wesley-G-Ouchi.pdf
That's my source. Sorry you were too 'low information' to realize that. Clearly you lack the unique numerous and fast connections of my brain.

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You have no facts and the doctors would actually violate this patient's rights by revealing protected health information.

If you do have the inside scoop, maybe some discharge papers, then let us know why the patient was incarcerated, and if his parents have decision making power in his life because incarceration children often have court appointed guardians due to the poor parenting that led them to kiddie jail.


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