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Jul 13 2020 06:43pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 14 Jul 2020 02:31)
AOC being a -3 to the left is pretty fair. That's about as far as we go. Anything more left leaning isn't represented enough to really be considered. The Democratic party goes from something like -3 to +6, with Biden sitting at like a +4 when he's not campaigning, and a +2 when he is.


Yes, but then again, there is more to politics than just economic policy. I keep saying this, but to understand modern political trends, one has to conceptualize politics with a model that's at least two-dimensional (with an economic and a cultural policy dimension).

Which brings me back to the point I made in my longer post above (which I'm quite fond of tbh). On economic policy, the political system in the U.S. is quite skewed to the right, and it's definitely to the right of public opinion. This is the reason why certain forces are trying to steer the political debate as much as possible toward the second, the cultural dimension. The more the country talks about race, guns or abortion, the less it talks about wealth taxes, worker rights and social security.

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Jul 13 2020 06:46pm
Quote (AspenSniper @ Jul 13 2020 04:06pm)
I pride myself on my individual, moderate, pragmatic views. I guess if I'm in a bucket, it'd be libertarian like a lot of white guys around 30 years old. Pro gay, pro abortion, pro liberty, don't f with my money but i'm not an idiot that doesnt understand that collectivism money can produce a positive social good.

The BLM movement caused me to think a bit. I've been quick to think, I really didnt come from anything with a firefighter dad and a retail store clerk minimum wage earning mom, so if I can do it so can everyone. I do still think that and I do still think increasing money on social welfare is a stupid idea because it's usually just a bailout for people who dont make good decisions. I don't believe in inequity in the workplace as most managers would kill to be able to hire more women/POC, etc., but often times there just isnt a huge talent pool and the best candidates just are white guys, especially in areas like tech. Even at the corporate executive level, companies often strive to add female and minority board members/executive leaders. However, I've come to really understand white privilege and there's a piece we don't really think about.

Inheritance and family money is seldom talked about and white people don't give it much thought. More of a class issue than a race issue, but they often go hand-in-hand. For most, if they lose their job they have a family member even if not a direct parent that could support them financially or let them live in a room in their house, etc. That isn't nearly as common in minority families. Also, why i feel class/race go hand-in-hand dates back to housing laws for many past decades. Levittown is an easy example. Those houses were sold for about $10k per, sometimes less, which would be maybe $100k or so in today's money. Those houses are about half a mil now, meaning they made 5x in investment equity value after adjusting for inflation. Those houses, as was the case for many other communities, weren't available to blacks. Outside of just the law, many areas refused to sell homes to blacks, pushing them to historic black areas. Surely most of us know the historic "black neighborhoods" that still exist today even in more wealthy cities. Those home values didnt rise at anywhere near the same rate.

This isn't broad brush and I get that, but the amount of inheritance money about to flow to millenials i believe is somewhere in the neighborhood of $60 trillion. Not a lot of that is going to minorities because of what happened in the past. So when my white friends say "hey i didnt do anything to you, don't blame me" I kinda get the anger/annoyance/attitude from minorities as we're going to benefit off of the racist actions of our grandparents' and great grandparents' era and minorities won't.

Anyways, I haven't posted here in a while and wanted to share this.


Whites pay a lot more than 60$ trillion more in taxes. This is a delusional numerical argument.
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Jul 13 2020 06:51pm
We need VAT and less red tape on social welfare.

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Jul 14 2020 05:31am
Yes, there should be high inheritance taxes that can be refunnelled into sectors like education that will provide more equality of opportunity. Just think of how much undiscovered talent there is in poor areas where the children don't stand a chance.

The good thing about inheritance tax is it's difficult to avoid on physical assets, so is an quite efficient tax in terms of the amount spent by govt to collect vs. amount collected. Inheritance taxes are also far more preferable than income taxes in terms of efficiency because they don't disincentivise economic activity.

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Yes, there should be high inheritance taxes that can be refunnelled into sectors like education that will provide more equality of opportunity. Just think of how much undiscovered talent there is in poor areas where the children don't stand a chance.

The good thing about inheritance tax is it's difficult to avoid on physical assets, so is an quite efficient tax in terms of the amount spent by govt to collect vs. amount collected. Inheritance taxes are also far more preferable than income taxes in terms of efficiency because they don't disincentivise economic activity.


Inheritance taxes must come with a high amount of exemption though. It really must be made sure that they don't punish the middle class.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 14 2020 12:36pm)
Inheritance taxes must come with a high amount of exemption though. It really must be made sure that they don't punish the middle class.


That's very easy to do considering assets over a certain value are rarely held by middle class people

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Jul 14 2020 05:58am
Quote (IceMage @ Jul 13 2020 06:55pm)
I've moved left on some things, but let's pretend John Kasich got elected. Would people constantly be harping on my shift? It looks that way because America no longer has a legitimate right-wing political party. We have a mostly center-left party and a personality cult of nutjobs and/or racists.

Plus the left-right paradigm is kind of irrelevant on some issues. I'll take Hillary's hawkish multilateralism over Trump's isolationist unilateralism. Neither is a cookie-cutter left-wing or right-wing position.



The middle road is Democratic-led governance. It's not a choice between Trump vs the author of White Fragility. It's Trump vs Biden. A president who intentionally stokes racial divisions vs. one who will try to unite the country.


in all honesty i think your "shift left" has less to do with you actually moving and more to do with you talking about social issues rather than religious and theology issues. its easy to label someone firmly left if all you read is them on religious issues. and 10 years ago pard had a lot more debate on theology. plus posting "he deserved it" and gifs all the time masks that you're fairly moderate on many issues.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Jul 13 2020 05:46pm)
Whites pay a lot more than 60$ trillion more in taxes. This is a delusional numerical argument.


He said "millennial inheritance", which includes all groups not just whites.
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Jul 16 2020 06:05pm
Quote (Kamahl16 @ 17 Jul 2020 01:59)
He said "millennial inheritance", which includes all groups not just whites.


It's mostly the white millenials who will inherit significantly though. Miguel or Jamaal inheriting $12k from their dad doesn't really move the needle in the grand scheme of things. Joseph inheriting a $250k portfolio plus a $500k home in the suburbs from his dads will.
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