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Jul 3 2020 02:59pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 3 2020 12:16pm)
A good skeptical look at the story from the dutch anti-Putin site, so its interesting to see them go against their obvious bias to debunk this story;
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/07/03/the-talibangate-claims-about-russian-bounties-still-dont-add-up-a70772

Most notably, this story lacks any coherent motive. What's supposed to be the reason Russia would take such an aggressive and escalatory risk? Its not going to have any substantial impact on our middle east foreign policy, we're leaving Afghanistan either way, Trump was openly negotiating that since before this was alleged. As "revenge" for the deaths of Russian mercenaries in Syria makes no sense, because that was US troops defending themselves from an attack and Russia's own fuck-up in deconfliction, and it wouldn't be tit-for-tat retaliation to target US citizens instead of US proxies anyway. And those exact same GRU units were already known to have sat back and not authorized any conflicts with the US in Syria, and nobody in Russian leadership seemed to even give a shit about that incident, no protestation, if anything it was more of a mea culpa from the Kremlin. So we've got a claim of Russia making an extremely dangerous escalation with the US at a time and way that doesn't whatsoever serve their geopolitical interests, with a risk of backfiring that would absolutely harm their geopolitical interests.

And then the New York Times claimed this was evidence by bank transfers to Afghans that were recorded in major international banks

wait. Did anyone stop to think for even one second when they printed that followup?
Why the fuck would a secret Russian GRU program that needs to be hidden from the eyes of the US to not backfire, send their money through official channels with documentation in entities accessible to the US government?
That's abundant reason to doubt this story, not to confirm it. Think logically for christssake. Why wouldn't they just send the money through secret channels? They're already openly sending the Taliban weapons, they could just throw cash into those same containers.

Theres a far more rational and obvious explanation for Russia sending the Taliban cash: They're buying geopolitical influence. They're bribing tribal leaders and building connections to establish a foothold in the power vacuum that will exist after the US withdrawal:



Russia has obvious geopolitical interests in ex-soviet occupied Afghanistan combined with no aversion to corruption and an established supply line.
The New York Times thinks that a money trail the Russians aren't even bothering to obfuscate let alone cover up, is somehow proof of a secret conspiracy to kill Americans in order to get revenge for the deaths of pawns the Russians truly never gave one solitary shit about in the first place.



This take makes infinitely more sense. It’s pretty standard modus operandi for intelligence agencies to work this way.

Like I said the fact that this faded out of the news cycle faster than you could blink is telling. A corroborated story If this magnitude would have legs, instead pretty much anyone with authority to say yeah it’s legit said they have no evidence of it.
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Jul 3 2020 04:09pm


Ny slimes needs to report on it’s own history of treachery and racism:

supported slavery
denied holocaust
wants perpetual war with russia

what a scumbag anti-American tabloid
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Jul 3 2020 05:32pm
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Ny slimes needs to report on it’s own history of treachery and racism:

supported slavery
denied holocaust
wants perpetual war with russia

what a scumbag anti-American tabloid


I saw that too. Laughed pretty good. Lol
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Jul 3 2020 05:59pm
Hopefully this terrible and ashaming past will be eradicated (literally) with the incoming generation wave of Ocasio-Cortez & co, comrades.

/e

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Jul 3 2020 10:02pm
You guys know what would make actual leftists really fucking happy? If the center-right corporate shilling NYT was firebombed at the same time as Mount Rushmore was dynamited to rubble.
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Jul 3 2020 11:43pm
but again just to stress the point:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/politics/russian-bounties-afghanistan-intelligence.html

how did the NYT print this story without stopping and thinking about it?:
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American officials intercepted electronic data showing large financial transfers from a bank account controlled by Russia’s military intelligence agency to a Taliban-linked account, evidence that supported their conclusion that Russia covertly offered bounties for killing U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, according to three officials familiar with the intelligence.

Its an oxymoronic statements with a lot more steps. Electronic data about financial transfers between bank accounts and "covert" russian actions.
If the Russians were doing something as inflammatory as offering bounties for killing Americans and needed to keep it covert, and were using shadowy GRU agents to do it, why the fuck would they leave a digital footprint directly from GRU -> Afghans
And if the NYT actually believed in this conspiracy theory, why would they post such an article in the first place?

My only conclusion to suit the facts is that the NYT already understood the story was discredited and chose to push it as an anti-Trump hit piece anyway
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Jul 4 2020 12:03am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 3 2020 10:43pm)
but again just to stress the point:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/politics/russian-bounties-afghanistan-intelligence.html

how did the NYT print this story without stopping and thinking about it?:

Its an oxymoronic statements with a lot more steps. Electronic data about financial transfers between bank accounts and "covert" russian actions.
If the Russians were doing something as inflammatory as offering bounties for killing Americans and needed to keep it covert, and were using shadowy GRU agents to do it, why the fuck would they leave a digital footprint directly from GRU -> Afghans
And if the NYT actually believed in this conspiracy theory, why would they post such an article in the first place?

My only conclusion to suit the facts is that the NYT already understood the story was discredited and chose to push it as an anti-Trump hit piece anyway



Damn you're right. This makes me question whether Hillary sold 165% of American Uranium to Russia. Fuck you for making me question QAnon you bastard!
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Jul 4 2020 06:22am
Honestly I have no idea what's going on but since I am a left-winger I'll say that I believe the whistleblowers and that Trump is a traitor who should be impeached.
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Jul 4 2020 06:48am
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Honestly I have no idea what's going on but since I am a left-winger I'll say that I believe the whistleblowers and that Trump is a traitor who should be impeached.


The pentagon found zero evidence of this conspiracy theory.
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Jul 4 2020 08:10am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jul 4 2020 08:48am)
The pentagon found zero evidence of this conspiracy theory.


Says Q Anon guy.
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