You see a problem dismantling a police state? We need to go back to the era of peace officers instead of law enforcers.

https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/peace-officers-vs-law-enforcement-officers

This post was edited by Santara on Jun 3 2020 05:18am

It shouldn't be a low paying job. The pay should be higher and the accountability goes up with it.

That Florida cop who abandoned kids to their deaths at Marjory-Stoneman got his job back with back pay, in excess of 100k for a year. It's only low pay for entry level positions.

Yeah, I imagine me and you have matching issues on this issue other than maybe not entirely sure how you combat police unions since I believe they should be allowed to unionize but on some level, there has to be a large system change and somehow that results in cultural change.

But it's hard when you have a sizable amount of people in this country that think blacks aren't profiled or treated worse on average by police and don't think there is a cultural issue within the police/federal law enforcement security organizations in the US in general. You have people who will cry about Waco/Ruby Ridge but then turn a blind eye to the systemic issues of police vs minorities and not realize the hypocrisy of their beliefs. Same can be true for lib left people who don't have issues with Waco or Ruby ridge when it's a clear escalation of force that is appalling.

Police unions are a stone wall barrier to change. As always - I believe no public sector employee should be allowed to collectively bargain.

Yup. I'm seeing running debates on FB with all my conservative friends who refuse to see any injustice in the police/POC relationship.

Of course you don't.

This is why nobody will ever take your ideology seriously as a method of governance. When you want to handicap police from doing something as basic as stopping a mass murdering gunman youve lost all credibility.




Freedom! until you do something I dont like, like work for the government. Then your freedom is bad and should go away.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jun 3 2020 05:53am

I didn't say police can't shoot at a mass murderer. I'm saying they need to be prepared for the consequences if they get it wrong. Accountability is the goal here. Honestly, I don't know why people take statists like you seriously on this, considering your track record is abysmal.

You don't have the freedom to hold me, as a member of the public at large, hostage.

Yeah, we need to hold the police accountable for not having perfect accuracy while taking down a mass murderer actively emgaged in said mass murdering. That'll definitely be a positive change.

There you go not being willing to describe reality accurately again. Cant make an argument without going straight to hyperbole.

I think partial immunity would be OK but there needs to be some accountability also. Just like Trump there must be some oversight to make sure they don't abuse the privilege

Why shouldn't they have to be insured?

How is this not reality? Police provide monopolized critical public services. Withholding critical services that are not attainable in any other fashion is holding the public hostage to their contract demands.