Alright, I'll spoonfeed you:



Subtitles are available.

So I watched one and a half minutes. The ambassador seems to misspeak. Go to the point where he's talking about no go zones.

What's the deal here. Cars were being burned in EU on a fairly large scale by immigrants. For sure in Paris, I can dig up vids that make Paris look like a warzone. Don't know but looks like that's what the guy is speaking about.

Interesting because it's related to this topic. Angry immigrants. Because they are exploited and therefor burn cars in the streets?



This post was edited by Djunior on May 19 2020 01:32pm

lol, tmw you're too stupid to realise what my post was about even after someone specifically spelled it out for you.



nop, it's still true. even though there are significant issues, which by the way are NOT limited to this one (that you only just discovered and hilariously thought would shut anyone up who dared to criticise your beloved US). that does, however, NOT change the fact that working conditions and worker protections IN GENERAL are significantly better here than in america. it's funny how badly you fail at the simplest task of reasoning...

also, which part of me stating and explaining how it's even worse than your original post suggested, pointing to the likely lobbying going on behind the scenes, and the tacit consent of officials, did you mistake for 'trying to get myself out' of this discussion? we're at the same point again: just because i'm german, doesn't mean i approve of this - that's just you projecting your own pathetic stance onto me. i unconditionally disapprove of this practice, and think it's unjustifiable.


that said, i'd like to support your efforts of internationalising this forum, and focusing on germany in particular, so here's a suggestion for your next topic: weapon exports.
it's another one of my major issues with german politics. for far too long have we exported arms to authoritarian regimes and countries we very well know are committing war crimes and other atrocities: saudi-arabia, turkey, israel... to be fair, the khashoggi murder and genocide in yemen lead to a (temporary) halt of exports, the turkish offensive in syria to restriction of exports to turkey, but those are just temporary band aids to really morally unjustifiable transactions imo - but it's barely a topic of public discussion most of the time, the money and jobs involved are just 'too valuable'.

was only a matter of time before the real libertarians showed up. sup, mate? how's it going?

burning car videos on youtube seems like a pretty bad metric for immigrant violence. then again i dont know if accurate data is available in the EU.

In 2005, there were weeks-long, very extensive and prominent riots in migrant suburbs of Paris. Those riots were, however, fueled by a lack of perspective and opportunity rather than anger about being exploited. In the years since, similar riots have occurred infrequently and on a smaller scale in various European cities with high migrant shares, for example in Stockholm suburbs.


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Speaking about a lack of worker rights and bad, almost slavery-like working conditions:

"US poultry workers wear diapers on job over lack of bathroom breaks"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/12/poultry-workers-wear-diapers-work-bathroom-breaks


So you Americans really shouldnt talk a big game on this particular issue. Fender is right, worker protections and conditions are usually far better in Europe than the U.S., despite cases like the meat factories referenced in the OP.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 19 2020 02:14pm

Do I need to remind you that we are talking about migrant workers here who evidently are NOT benefiting at all from your so called "significantly better working conditions". The topic is about modern slavery in Germany so you better drop that EU superiority stance cuz it aint flying here son.

I said it before, there's no room here to wiggle your way out and get away with smearing the policies of other countries while there are a shit ton of skeletons hiding in your closet.



Again, we're dealing with migrant workers here who do not benefit from those worker protection and conditions whatever they may be




This post was edited by Djunior on May 19 2020 02:30pm

Let me put it like this: when you're looking at a bowl with 100 apples, there are perhaps 3 bad ones in Europe while there are 10 in the U.S.

You can try this too

see that's the problem i tried to make you aware of before: i'm not trying to 'smear a country', i'm criticising a system, the politicians responsible, and the sheep that support both uncritically. i also don't consider this particular problem to be a skeleton in anyone's closet, let alone mine. anyone reasonably informed about capitalist societies is well aware of the issue - just because YOU only figured it out recently doesn't mean it's really news. and again, i am perfectly happy to discuss those issues, i welcome the exposure, and unconditionally criticise their existence.

your big problem is that me criticising the symptoms of late stage capitalism in the US triggers you on a personal level for some reason. you're unable to distinguish between the system and yourself, you're too emotional to think about the substance of the criticism. your lizard brain shuts out any rational and reasonable arguments. all you can see is a FOREIGNER, who has the audacity to 'smear' your beloved country, even though their own country isn't absolutely perfect - and if you can just prove the latter, it somehow invalidates any criticism they make.

you're not alone though. as i mentioned earlier, i've noticed that tendency with many uneducated americans, predominantly right wingers. i suspect that uncritical jingoism based on personal insecurity is the main culprit - and while that kind of behaviour can be amusing to a certain degree, at some point you should really try to take a step back and ask yourself if your 'arguments' even begin to make any sense - because they sure don't. you are not america. i am not germany. neither of us should accept or excuse politicians and corporations exploiting people, and when someone points that out, it makes no sense to get mad at the messenger - focus your rage on the people that treat human beings as slaves, kid.