so when libertarians say welfare is b.s. because anyone in an economically depressed area can just leave, it's said to be bullshit by liberals. but your answer to me saying I cant consent to the entireity of taxes is that I should have moved to the woods (aka illegal trespassing) or just move to another tax free country (almost non existent)?

as to your continuation of a terrible comparison of rent you did consent, there's literally a lease with your signature on it. that's consent. you were given the choice to live there or not live there. im frankly not sure why you keep up with rent, its an awful example that you voluntarily chose and signed a contract to do. the choice is so transparent I don't understand why you persist.

I have a signature on my lease agreement the same way you have a signature on your tax documents.

It's not a bad comparison. It is literally the perfect comparison because they are the same system. I'm not being hyperbolic either. The system that imposes taxes is literally the exact same system that permits property and makes it so I have to pay to have a place to live.

I wasn't given a choice to sign my tax documents, there's force behind me not filing and seizure of my property to pay what they say I owe. you were given a choice to live there, literally anywhere else, even mooching off of friends/family, or being homeless. if you were taken to jail for being homeless you'd have a point, as it stands its just a bad comparison that ignores choices, consent, and backing by force.

the govt permit it, and make you have to pay. and this isn't a lack of consent? lol. thank you. you literally said they make me and said its consent. wow.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 30 2020 05:58pm

You took your job knowing taxes would come out of your paycheck, bought your house knowing the property tax rate, etc. etc.

I'm not ignoring anything. I'm using literally the exact same arguments you are, and you're the one selectively applying them. All of the same threats of force are present in both circumstances.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 30 2020 06:00pm

I took them because there wasn't another option. as ive already outlined avoiding taxes in a literal sense is nearly impossible. just as welfare is justified because "just move" isn't a legitimate option for impoverished people.

so do poor people chose to be poor and stay in poor areas? because its a hell of a lot easier to get out of the ghetto than it is to avoid a lifetime of taxes. you'd never be able to buy a single item in any store, ever. buy any hunting license. buy any state parks pass to camp. etc. even if u can avoid a job and place to live avoiding sales tax is essentially impossible, and buying from a vendor who doesn't pay the sales tax is illegal. you could move to the one state that doesn't have sales tax, but then we're back to poor people argument you've made dozens of times. so, which is it?

and in any case I endorse taxes, I enjoy the benefits on average even if I don't like the effectiveness of govt. that doesn't make it a choice.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 30 2020 06:05pm

I have a lot of respect for Amash... he's one of if not the most principled guys in Washington.

But I worry him running will be favorable for Trump in some key swing states. I don't tend to agree with many of his policies either. So if he's reading this, please drop out, kthx.

which states? im curious. I was under the impression that the lion's share of lib votes that were changeable were on the right, rather than left.

“rental agreement is the same as taxes”

no wonder little fella thor can’t feed himself without support of state subsidy and his in laws. and he bragged about stimulus checks too lmfao dude you’re pushing 30 get with it already!

Avoiding rent in a literal sense is nearly impossible.

yada yada

Literally everything you said also applies to rent and home ownership. There is no getting around that if you consider taxes theft, then rent or cost to buy a home is also theft. They are the same system in action.

We can talk about the broader policy implications and my positions later, for now let's stick to the thing that started the conversation.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 30 2020 06:09pm