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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 3 2020 01:26pm)
U dont believe in god but know exactly how he is?


He isnt all knowing?
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He isnt all knowing?


With respect to time? likely no.
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With respect to time? likely no.


I feel like that goes against what the bible says. God would seemingly have no bounds.
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Quote (Brian_D @ Apr 3 2020 03:30pm)
I feel like that goes against what the bible says. God would seemingly have no bounds.


then you havent read the bible well. if god knew the future he wouldnt have had to start over via Noah and the flood.

read some of my other posts i gave to thor in this thread on why many hacky Christians present god as 100% perfect. its more of a deflection than logical.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 3 2020 03:32pm)
then you havent read the bible well. if god knew the future he wouldnt have had to start over via Noah and the flood.

read some of my other posts i gave to thor in this thread on why many hacky Christians present god as 100% perfect. its more of a deflection than logical.


Just depends what book you are reading.different authors in the bible interpret God different ways.
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I started with the beginning of the beginning, Genesis. Lots of questions came to mind. Let’s start with this

under the assumption that God is all powerful, and can transcend in time, did he know Eve would eat the forbidden fruit? why go through the process if he already knew she would eat it, and then punish us humans?

Also just before the Noah part, God mentions regretting creating humans. God had feelings? And again, why create humans in the first place if he knew they would conduct themselves in an evil way?

convert me


Personally I interpret the Bible and believe that God created the human race, Adam And Eve well knowing of the fall that would occur when creating beings with free will. There are many paradoxes, I believe that God is loving as well, true love involves the freedom to choose. The gift of faith is the way to gain life from the Creator who made you. He is also Just and Holy, so He both judge and saves. By the moral law we lost our innocence and God choose to save humankind from its own mess. He went through this process because of His love for the human race, He wants a living relationship to each and everyone.

There are many interpretations of various biblical texts, including the flood story which might contain both mythological language while containing truth. One way of reading the passage that God regret the creation of mankind is the usage of exaterated language. Or take for example when Adam and Eve hides from God after eating the apple. He sort of questions them "why are you hiding, what have you done?" well knowing what they did. He talks in a way that makes dialogue happen. But in a way I think He did sort of regret it, but at the same time He had a plan from beginning to End.

Also remember these texts are written thousands of years ago with oral tradition probably much older. The way we think and interpret is way different than the original meaning. I advice you to stay humble and don't fall into the trap of playing God. Questioning God, accusing Him, offering better alternatives from your head. He became Human and died for us, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. That's his promise and that's why he created us.
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The bibles was written by 300 a.d humans with the knowledge and philosophy of 300 a.d humans, so god can not be more than human as he is being created by humans with a human perspective.
If god was created today he would be much more infallible.
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then you havent read the bible well. if god knew the future he wouldnt have had to start over via Noah and the flood.

read some of my other posts i gave to thor in this thread on why many hacky Christians present god as 100% perfect. its more of a deflection than logical.


you are incorrect here.

Isaiah 46:9-10

“Remember [carefully] the former things [which I did] from ages past;
For I am God, and there is no one else;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,

Declaring the end and the result from the beginning,
And from ancient times the things which have not [yet] been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will do all that pleases Me and fulfills My purpose,’

The bold part clearly states God knows everyone's future before they were even conceived in the womb.
The Flood and Noah (reset) was all part of his plan, but we humans are not to presume that we understand or comprehend the Creators plan.
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Quote (ChivasRegal @ Apr 3 2020 11:48pm)
you are incorrect here.

Isaiah 46:9-10

“Remember [carefully] the former things [which I did] from ages past;
For I am God, and there is no one else;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,

Declaring the end and the result from the beginning,
And from ancient times the things which have not [yet] been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will do all that pleases Me and fulfills My purpose,’

The bold part clearly states God knows everyone's future before they were even conceived in the womb.
The Flood and Noah (reset) was all part of his plan, but we humans are not to presume that we understand or comprehend the Creators plan.



Don’t you think it’s naive to put all of your faith in this God? Truly, the Bible was written by humans isn’t it so? One can assume God has given them His powers for them to write the right words and pass along God’s message to humanity, but under what grounds? Besides blindly having faith, what else is out there?

Do you have an opinion on Spinoza’s God and pantheism? here is an Einstein interview

“Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things.“

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Don’t you think it’s naive to put all of your faith in this God? Truly, the Bible was written by humans isn’t it so? One can assume God has given them His powers for them to write the right words and pass along God’s message to humanity, but under what grounds? Besides blindly having faith, what else is out there?

Do you have an opinion on Spinoza’s God and pantheism? here is an Einstein interview

“Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things.“


you want to talk naive? what about the people who lived and walked around 2000 years ago when the Son of the Living God was among them.
They personally witnessed with their own eyes the countless miracles that Jesus performed including healing, raising people from the dead and casting out demons.
Yet people still mocked and rejected him. Is that naive?

Also, I won't be going off topic and discussing science, so my conversation ends here sorry.
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