Quote (Skinned @ Feb 11 2020 12:31pm)

I'm first generation college in my family.

Quote (duffman316 @ 11 Feb 2020 13:35)

Seems like there's a trend in people believing that hard work will not make their lives better and that improved economic growth won't make their lives better. A very bleak outlook, what do our resident pardians make of this issue?

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/2020-edelman-trust-barometer-shows-growing-sense-of-inequality/11883788?fbclid=IwAR09iusXpbCQ6BM5Fmsk4MVBN3OWIk2L5E8UbQKFwjg6nWpLHKgMGP2UTfM
The 2020 Edelman Trust Barometer - now in its 20th year - has found many people no longer believe working hard will give them a better life.

Despite strong economic performance, a majority of respondents in every developed market do not believe they will be better off in five years' time.

This means that economic growth no longer appears to drive trust, at least in developed markets - upending the conventional wisdom.

"We are living in a trust paradox," said Richard Edelman, CEO of Edelman.

"Since we began measuring trust 20 years ago, economic growth has fostered rising trust. This continues in Asia and the Middle East but not in developed markets, where national income inequality is now the more important factor.

Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 11 2020 01:40pm)

im actually 4th. my great grandmother, grandmother, and mother, all attended Western University in Illinois. My GGma was the last "from money" person in her line, she married a farmer, and was denied dowry and any inheritance for stooping so low. jokes on them, now our land is worth 3 mil or so.

but my mother was a textbook failure of education. masters degree with no real ability to work, ran through jobs, etc. mostly due to her inability to "just do the job" and constant needing to fix a system she learned that week or day even. but i think a good mentor is just as effective as a bad on, maybe better. watching someone succeed can give you a false sense of security, watching someone fail gives you a better sense of reality.

Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 11 2020 12:40pm)

im actually 4th. my great grandmother, grandmother, and mother, all attended Western University in Illinois. My GGma was the last "from money" person in her line, she married a farmer, and was denied dowry and any inheritance for stooping so low. jokes on them, now our land is worth 3 mil or so.

but my mother was a textbook failure of education. masters degree with no real ability to work, ran through jobs, etc. mostly due to her inability to "just do the job" and constant needing to fix a system she learned that week or day even. but i think a good mentor is just as effective as a bad on, maybe better. watching someone succeed can give you a false sense of security, watching someone fail gives you a better sense of reality.

Quote (inkanddagger @ Feb 11 2020 10:28am)

If hard work is what made you economically secure, janitors would be millionaires and most millionaires would be paupers.


The economy is actually not doing very well. GDP is down. Only about 60% of working age adults are participating in the labor force, but our unemployment stats don't even track the the ones who have dropped out and stopped looking. People are being priced out of their homes. The stock market is floating on a trillion dollars in deficit spending that was used mainly by corporations to buy back their own stocks. Less than 40% of Americans have a 401k and less than half of them have more than $10k in. And in 5 years it will all have been wiped out by the economic crash being set up by the Republicans right now (and they're using all of the tools to recover from a recession right now so when an actual recession hits there will be no tools left) so the people in the 50-60 age group who are happy about what they see today are going to be living in 2007 era levels of depression when it comes time for their planned-but-never-actualized-retirement. Tax cuts for the rich were made permanent and the tax bill is going to come due for the working classes to pay for them soon when they sunset. The economy is rigged against hard working people and in favor of nepotism and graft.

People are right. Things aren't hopeful for anyone except the already well-off. Fluff stats trumpeted by Trumpists are just sad.

Quote (Skinned @ Feb 11 2020 01:19pm)

Rich dad, poor dad, good book.

Poor dad worked very hard.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 11 2020 01:21pm)

I can sympathize with this, but I generally don't immediately try to start correcting a process unless I've 1) been doing it myself for over a month or more, or 2) it's just very very very broken in a really obvious way.

Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 11 2020 01:28pm)

VERY good book

ive found an even better way for my personal situation. ive automated and improved my own personal processes while allowing my peers to stay in the broken and dated system so i can avoid going insane while also advancing rapidly compared to peers. not applicable in many industries tho.

Quote (Skinned @ Feb 11 2020 07:31pm)

I'm first generation college in my family.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 11 2020 01:45pm)

I got fired from a chemistry job once because they were fabricating results by just not blanking the instrument or blatantly violating the SOP. It was a shitty supplements manufacturer so not too surprising. I saw it everywhere and went to the GM and was like "dude, this is all wrong, we have some serious structural problems" and they said to just do the job and not think I know everything. I got fired the next week a day before the customer they were fudging was coming in for an audit.

Proud day even though I would have liked the money.

I wish I could have automated them out of business, it would have been pretty easy with half a years wages to reduce their staff by 80%