3 of my grandparents survived the nazis shooting at them, its all about the zigzag I guess (literally in the case of my french grandmother getting strafed)

i think that more than anything it's a hastily cobbled together distraction from both US and israeli domestic political affairs (trump's impeachment / netanyahu's corruption scandal).

this administration has sufficiently demonstrated through ACTIONS where they stand on this issue, so no one with the slightest clue regarding the intricacies of this conflict would ever take this 'plan' seriously, or describe it as remotely fair or promising. it's a PR stunt, a cheap and cynical distraction, that's it.



what are you even on about, you weirdo? apparently you don't know ANY of my positions regarding brexit (which would of course be totally fine, if you didn't just assume them - wrongly - repeatedly).

i not only respect, i WELCOME the british decision to leave the EU, and i have said for years that it's time to end this unfortunate alliance, rather sooner than later. and while i elaborated that in an ideal world i'd prefer a britain actively engaged in leading and shaping the EU to everyone's benefit, i also unmistakenly acknowledged that was clearly not a role they sought to assume. they have been cherry picking their advantages, while trying to avoid financial and political responsibility as best they could for decades.
maybe you are confused, because you think my arguing that voters were systematically lied to by right wing demagogues concerning the advantages of leaving the EU, implied that i opposed the UK leaving, but those are issues you have to separate. yes, the referendum was a joke, and the promises made were ridiculous and false, but i still welcome the result of it.

probably too much nuance for you though... which would also explain your utterly moronic takes on the palestinian question and the legality and relevance of a decades long occupation.

Its 80 pages long, with detailed proposals for virtually every facet of the conflict, maps, appendixes, etc etc
We have already known it was in the works and being drafted for 2+ years. In fact we received the economic half of the proposal a year ago.
Nobody was predicting 2 years ago that Netanyahu would want a distraction from domestic corruption scandals on this exact day after winning his election but being unable to form a coalition government.
And if you want to gauge what is politically motivated, its not a good look that Israeli prosecutors filed charges against Netanyahu just hours before his summit with Trump that had been planned well in advance.
There's no imaginable way they just happened to bring charges immediately in advance of Netanyahu's big moment if it wasn't politically motivated.

wow who could have guessed that when a 2 state solution was finally ready the palestinians would continue to whine and go ape shit

I don't think the US should necessarily be commenting on how Israel and Palestine should divvy up their lands and ports. The US has intervened far too much into this particular foreign affair.

you of all ppl should know that length of text says nothing about the sanity of its content, its political feasibility, or the actual time put into compiling 80 pages (what an anti-intellectual world we live in when that is considered extensive, and that alone is then regarded as evidence of substance) - without a shred of involvement or even consultation of one of the two concerned parties (such 'effort').

so please let's not act like anyone who isn't desperately looking for an excuse to dismiss the 'distraction' argument, actually believes your underlying assumption, that they released this stunt right as they finished drafting it. also, nice try, but netanyahu's corruption scandal was exposed long before this PR stunt saw the light of day, so your little "nO yUo!" attempt there does not at all refute its distraction function for netanyahu. this IS without a doubt incredibly 'convenient' timing for both of them, and you'd have to be incredibly naive to assume that it's purely coincidental.



"wow, the saints said they didn't want to get fucked by the refs anymore, so when we excluded their franchise from the league, why are they still whining?"

seriously, do you simply not think before you post, or are you genuinely that clueless when it comes to the israel / palestine conflict? also, who is 'going ape shit'? elaborate please.

Calm down cock boy I'm not talking to you

So it was both hastily cobbled together in response to a recent scandal... and finished as a draft long ago and sat on it until the right moment.

no need to be upset, cock girl - this is a public forum and you didn't address anyone specifically, so if you want to prevent being called out for your idiotic posts, you should try thinking before pressing 'add reply' - or just send a PM to whoever you're "talking to". you're welcome.