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Dec 12 2019 10:28pm
Quote (Phaggot @ Dec 12 2019 10:24pm)
Under 30

you know nothing


ok boomer
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Dec 12 2019 10:32pm
Quote (Kiseki @ Dec 12 2019 11:21pm)
personal insults and lack of discussion on the op


What personal insults? I accurately described an authoritarian political candidate who deserves condemnation and criticism.

My post was directly related to your comment.


Your original post was also filled with errors that I don't mind discussing.

The idea that transgender persons are being criminalized is completely unsubstantiated nonsense.
No transgender rights are being taken.

Declaring controversial leftist policies are a 'no brainer' w/o justification does not actually make them no-brainers.
Mandating higher minimum wages for example have a number of drawbacks that you haven't identified let alone addressed.
Saying 'all americans deserve x' is a feelings-based declaration and doesn't make the government mandating policies a 'no brainer'

Calling the idea that taxpayers shouldn't pay for everyone's college debts a "disgrace" doesn't actually make it so, and doesn't erase the legitimate arguments against it.


The idea that americans w/ a degree and working over 40 hours aren't even surviving is hyperbole, not an argument.
American wages are above most of the world and banning relatively low wage jobs doesn't magically give everyone high paying jobs.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Dec 12 2019 10:33pm
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Dec 12 2019 10:35pm
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What personal insults? I accurately described an authoritarian political candidate who deserves condemnation and criticism.

My post was directly related to your comment.


Your original post was also filled with errors that I don't mind discussing.

The idea that transgender persons are being criminalized is completely unsubstantiated nonsense.
No transgender rights are being taken.

Declaring controversial leftist policies are a 'no brainer' w/o justification does not actually make them no-brainers.
Mandating higher minimum wages for example have a number of drawbacks that you haven't identified let alone addressed.
Saying 'all americans deserve x' is a feelings-based declaration and doesn't make the government mandating policies a 'no brainer'

Calling the idea that taxpayers shouldn't pay for everyone's college debts a "disgrace" doesn't actually make it so, and doesn't erase the legitimate arguments against it.


The idea that americans w/ a degree and working over 40 hours aren't even surviving is hyperbole, not an argument.


glad to know you are the kind to deny a point with a counterpoint that fuels your own personal opinions instead of proper logic

also the phrase "leftist policy" LOL, bare minimum rights are a leftist idea? ROFL you must live in such a safe space life
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Dec 12 2019 10:44pm
Quote (Kiseki @ Dec 12 2019 11:35pm)
glad to know you are the kind to deny a point with a counterpoint that fuels your own personal opinions instead of proper logic

also the phrase "leftist policy" LOL, bare minimum rights are a leftist idea? ROFL you must live in such a safe space life


I just addressed several of the points in the OP as you wanted.

Ignoring all my points and whining that I used the term 'leftist' to accurately describe what you are advocating is an invalid response.
That is not indicative of wanting a 'safe space life'. Not on my part anyways.

Do you think declaring a policy a "no brainer" is a valid and substantive argument? even without considering or addressing any concerns or counterarguments?

Disagreeing with your fallacious regurgitation of facile leftist talking points does not mean I am saying "bare minimum rights" are a leftist idea.
Banning low wage jobs is not a right, let alone a bare minimum one.
Forcing other people to pay for your debt is not a right.
Government price controls are not a right.
A delusion that transgender persons are being criminalized in modern america is just that, a delusion.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Dec 12 2019 10:46pm
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Dec 12 2019 10:53pm
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I just addressed several of the points in the OP as you wanted.

Ignoring all my points and whining that I used the term 'leftist' to accurately describe what you are advocating is an invalid response.
That is not indicative of wanting a 'safe space life'. Not on my part anyways.

Do you think declaring a policy a "no brainer" is a valid and substantive argument? even without considering or addressing any concerns or counterarguments?

Disagreeing with your fallacious regurgitation of facile leftist talking points does not mean I am saying "bare minimum rights" are a leftist idea.
Banning low wage jobs is not a right, let alone a bare minimum one.
Forcing other people to pay for your debt is not a right.
Government price controls are not a right.
A delusion that transgender persons are being criminalized in modern america is just that, a delusion.


tbh your quote on sig says more than enough about your opinion on these matters, not sure why I even responded

wont take the bait again

This post was edited by Kiseki on Dec 12 2019 10:54pm
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Dec 12 2019 10:55pm
Quote (Kiseki @ Dec 12 2019 11:53pm)
tbh your quote on sig says more than enough about your opinion on these matters, not sure why I even responded

wont take the bait again


Yeah why bother engaging with people who are very informed and don't agree with you?
Honest disagreement, valid questions and logically sound rebuttals of your points are just "bait". How convenient.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Dec 12 2019 10:56pm
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Dec 12 2019 11:05pm
Quote (Kiseki @ Dec 12 2019 10:53pm)
tbh your quote on sig says more than enough about your opinion on these matters, not sure why I even responded

wont take the bait again


Cam is super toxic and never willing to consider his own fallibility. You are wise to disregard him. But hes super easy to get a response from, so most people just goad him on for ten pages for cheap laughs.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 12 2019 11:05pm
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Dec 12 2019 11:28pm
Quote (excellence @ Dec 12 2019 05:32pm)
>fuck you boomers
>plz vote for someone even more ancient than boomers



Fuck the "me" generation. The silent generation were ok though. They got the civil rights movement started.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Dec 12 2019 11:30pm
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Dec 12 2019 11:36pm
I love how modern conservatives basically act like a living wage is impossible and conveniently ignore the fact that it has been the standard for basically all of human history up until they broke it.
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Dec 12 2019 11:51pm
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I love how modern conservatives basically act like a living wage is impossible and conveniently ignore the fact that it has been the standard for basically all of human history up until they broke it.


Throughout virtually all of human history most humans lived in remarkably worse conditions with much lower income than people in the modern US.
What is being called a 'living wage' by some people is more money than an overwhelmingly majority of the world makes.


The claim isn't that a so-called living wage is 'impossible', but rather that there are a variety of undesirable effects that come with a government edict that bans jobs leftists determine aren't a 'living wage'.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Dec 12 2019 11:51pm
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