magic no.

removal of the paris agreement.
hardball with the country stealing our IP.
removing the individual mandate from obamacare. (which was forcing me to pay "your" healthcare, even though i was never covered under "any" healthcare plan) obamacare didn't cover everyone as it's stated. it just forced everyone to pay.

from personal experience i can tell you that the construction industry was in a huge slump during obama's final term. we really didn't think we were going to make it out.
we now turn numerous jobs away every day. the word around everywhere is that everyone is busy. (at least this area)

record sales during holidays even though predicted to be lower by critics of trumps economy.

these are some reasons why i think the economy is doing well.
also gas is really high today, but still 50 cents to a dollar cheaper than obama's final term.

edit: had to bold a section just to make sure it's read. i argued obamacare with a friend for years and always stated that.
he only recently understood that i "don't have healthcare at all" and am paying for his.
he thought i was being forced to have obamacare, his perspective changed after comprehending that.

This post was edited by tagged4nothing on Dec 3 2019 03:26pm

1. Democrats have funded border security, they haven't funded a wall. Trump could've cut a deal for wall funding in exchange for DACA protections, which he chose not to do.
2. The NAFTA reshuffled trade deal(USMCA) is on track to pass Congress in the next few months. Most people in both parties oppose his trade war, but he's pursuing that unilaterally because Congress loves to hand power to the executive.
3. Russiagate and the Ukraine thing happened because of Trump's blatant incompetence, stupidity, and corruption. I'd like it if we could just get a normal, functioning adult into office, policy be damned.



Sometimes I get that sense from people, yeah.

This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 3 2019 03:27pm

I'm sorry to say this but this is bullshit, the only significant thing he did is to destroy the influence of his country like no other president ever did in your history, while dividing it internally.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-45827430

it's just continuum, but it could fall, thank you Obama ?

/nb And do i have to mention the 1T deficit to compensate tax cuts ? He's selling out the whole thing !

I guess Mexico will pay for it.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Dec 3 2019 03:35pm

Probably showing up to high school but I dont know what class i'm supposed to be in, but i don't realize it until the bell for 1st period rings, and also i don't have my books and i dont know my locker combination. or what locker is mine for that matter. then i finally walk down to the front desk and ask the ladies for my locker combo and class schedule, and they look incredulous but also are laughing and respond "again"? and i have no idea what they mean because this is the first time, so i get my books and realize i dont know where the class room is. then i wake up, and what they meant by "again" washes over me as i realize it's maybe the 10th time this month ive had the same dream. then i get a few seconds of thankful bliss as i realize i didnt actually get lost in high school, only to have it seep away just as quickly when i realize getting embarrassed by school secretaries is still 10x better than just having to get out of bed and go to work.

to what?

Every pundit has the first three words out of their mouths be 'tax cuts deregulation' whenever they talk about the economic boom

#1.
trump offered a deal for daca in exchange for border security. the democrats turned it down... your facts are reversed there.

you are thinking of the dates just before congress shut down. the dems said to approve daca and "after that", talk about border security.
trump tried offering a daca deal for border security funding. during the shutdown i believe, but i'm going to go searching after i post this.

#2.
you are right if you are saying "established" republicans and democrats are against trump's trade "war". but it's ultimately against china, and i fully support trump here.
either way, it's good to see a deal coming to review over USMCA.

#3.
you are bat shit crazy on this one and only pushing hilary clinton's narrative. which is the most centrist thing you could be i guess.

edit: i was wrong. trump offered daca deal wayyyy before the shutdown.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/26/trump-daca-deal-is-a-dream-come-true-for-democrats-commentary.html

here is the one during shutdown.
https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/trump-offers-wall-for-daca-deal-to-end-s-id505409646
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/19/trump-declares-national-emergency-over-immigration-amid-border-wall-push.html

This post was edited by tagged4nothing on Dec 3 2019 03:48pm

its a bit more than just offering a deal. Its what was being offered; Trump offering up incredible concessions on unthinkable issues that would have been a direct betrayal of his base, like potential amnesty.
Either side can claim they had a 'deal', but the democrat's 'deal' was like a 100-1 trade of benefits, asking for absurd amounts of amnesty and federal benefits for illegals and foreign aid in exchange for just pennies on the dollar in wall spending. That wasn't a serious offer, just a talking point. But Trump's "4 pillar" deal strategy would have been a huge swap of critical issues: Reforming to merit-based immigration / ending chain migration / ending the visa lottery / building a wall in exchange for amnesty for DACA illegals, a pathway to citizenship, TPS made permanent and foreign aid. That was the grand bargain that was shot down by the democrats who wouldn't even talk about it, then he went for a more piecemeal and less ambitious swaps of DACA for funding and they shot that down too.

Its true that Trump was seeking bold compromises that would have given up his sacred cow issues that could have let to his base rebelling, while Democrats were stonewalling with zero compromise what-so-fucking-ever. But when it came to talking points and posturing both sides could claim they had a deal the other side was opposing and the other side was at fault for the shutdown.


Have any politicians in recent memory made such dramatic compromise gambits as Trump's offer on immigration? It would be like if just after Bush got elected by the social conservatives, he offered up a deal to democrats to legalize gay marriage, let gays serve in the military, recognize gender identity and legalize marijuana in exchange for religious exemptions on regulations and healthcare, permanent tax cuts and expanded arctic drilling or whatever else he had on his wishlist. Because the people who elected Trump sure as hell weren't clamoring for amnesty for DACA illegals, but like Nixon going to China only Trump could sell such a deal. Except I guess in this scenario, it would also be like the democrats turned around and shut down Bush's offer and responded with their own counterproposal for federally funded sex reassignment surgery for 8 year olds and legalizing all narcotics in exchange for 1 new oil well in the arctic

This post was edited by Goomshill on Dec 3 2019 03:55pm

have whatever opinion you want about the legitimacy of the investigations themselves, but we all know if Trump wasn't such a blowhard constantly mouthing off for the entire election cycle and being so divisive then they never would have happened.

it's a catch22, if trump was nice he wouldnt have won. but when you win by being mean it causes a reaction. and of course Icemage is correct that his regime has been responsible for a slew of unwise moves, which may not rise to impeachable offenses, but walls need mortar as much as bricks.

1 thing i just want to respond here with is that i don't think trump would have received much back-lash for approving the daca deal. (although, yes a risk to doing so)
i'll have to verify polling data, but i believe most people approve of at least some sort of daca deal. i believe the country generally still feels responsible for them now that they are here and in a predicament.
plus, it would have been washed away since it would have quickly had him fulfill campaign promise through deal.

trump doesn't have a "presidential attitude", so yes i understand why people would be easier to believe he'd do such things.
especially this ukraine thing, i can understand it's mostly just circulated talking points.

russiagate though....
there was a thousand times more corruption in opposition of trump than you could ever try comparing to trump and his team.
we'll get into all of that again soon though

i'm not sure how trump is the divisive one though. he may be part of the problem with division, but he's not "the" problem by far.

where did you get "the divisive one" from?

HRC was divisive, Trump was divisive. either one of them would have gotten backlash after winning.

there's a big difference between morally correct and predictable. Russia gate and the Ukraine centered impeachment are both predictable. as are the lackluster results.

Trump's very nature is divisive. he spent decades antagonizing people for a living. Hillary's record is just as divisive, from superpredator laws to being anti gay marriage. they both brought in too much baggage for there not to be backlash.