Quote (fender @ 14 Nov 2019 15:31)

oh right, the 'malice' of calling a white nationalist a white nationalist. i love how triggered right wing snowflakes get when you expose them for what they are.

Quote (fender @ Nov 14 2019 09:44am)

you're really desperate to make this topic about anything but stephen miller, trump's senior political advisor, racist, white nationalist, and all around scumbag, huh?

Quote (balrog66 @ Nov 14 2019 09:36am)

Willie Dille's story is very tragic, but it is grossly misused both in this instance and many others.

The police contacted her but she did not want to press charges nor give any other information for an investigation by the police. There was nothing supporting her claims other than her word, which makes (and should make!) prosecution more or less impossible. Psychological aid was offered as well, but denied by Dille. The timing of the rape allegations was questionable as well, which did cause a lot of online outrage, especially because she's a member of one of the most inflammatory parties in the country, and she has herself done things that were very inflammatory as well (re-tweeting a video calling for extermination of muslims with nuclear weaponry). Regardless of her words and online behaviour, the backlash was way too rough, and she should have been supported and pushed to press charges so there can be a proper investigation. It's very sad she ultimately killed herself, but this is the road all the online toxicity ultimately leads to.

I'd also like to ask you specifically what policies would have prevented Willie's death. As you're using her as political ammunition, substantiate your claims or show us how heartless you are.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 14 2019 09:55am)

The malice does not lie in calling Miller out for what he is based on factual arguments, which the article does contain. Ill give you that. The malice, however, lies in trying to smear him, in trying to portray him as a much bigger monster than he actually is, based on bogus accusations.

As I said: the article unironically links president Calvin Coolidge to Hitler and Nazi ideology. Which goes to show from how extremely to the left this article is arguing.

Quote (thesnipa @ 14 Nov 2019 16:00)

basically this. Miller is a smarmy douche, but he's mostly focused on the "dont let them breed us out of existence" type white nationalism light behavior.

there's two types of white nationalists, alarmists and militants. miller is the kind to put up a big fence then cry in his basement hoping no one hurts him. you wanna watch out for the guys with homemade napalm booby traps.

and on the front of policy Miller has only really succeeded on trade, his push for a wall hasn't gone anywhere. he was involved with detention, but let's not pretend that without him the same thing wouldn't have happened.

Quote (fender @ Nov 14 2019 10:27am)

well, that and the muslim ban, arrest quotas for undocumented immigrants, expanding the child detention centre policy as deterrence...

but hey, he's only the white nationalist 'light' type, the one that organises propaganda on far right media to spread the ideology, the one that directly informs and influences the policy of an already racist president - poor stephen is not the 'full' white nationalist type, the one that actually kills brown people with their own hands and a white pride tattoo on his chest - so i guess this is just fine...

Quote (fender @ Nov 14 2019 10:27am)

well, that and the muslim ban, arrest quotas for undocumented immigrants, expanding the child detention centre policy as deterrence...

but hey, he's only the white nationalist 'light' type, the one that organises propaganda on far right media to spread the ideology, the one that directly informs and influences the policy of an already racist president - poor stephen is not the 'full' white nationalist type, the one that actually kills brown people with their own hands and has a white pride tattoo on his chest - so i guess this is just fine...

Quote (Ghot @ Nov 14 2019 10:38am)

Ok, since cogent sentences don't seem to work with you...


1. Muslims all over the world are physically attacking, killing, threatening people. This is a problem. We don't WANT the US to end up like France and Germany and Sweden etc.
2. ILLEGAL aliens are a very big problem. Again, we don't WANT the US to end up like the EU. The same EU that is NOW strengthening THEIR immigration laws, which I posted about last week.
3. Separating children from parents that aren't their parents, SHOULD be a policy. Do you REALLY think those kids will be raised to obey the law by pretend parent who are actively breaking the laws of this country.


I don't know wtf your problem is with the US and with it's laws, but until you legally migrate to this country and become a citizen, one has to seriously wonder why the fuck you care so deeply for those people trying to mess up this country, by breaking it's laws, threatening, attacking and killing it's citizens.

Quote (Ghot @ Nov 14 2019 04:38pm)

Ok, since cogent sentences don't seem to work with you...


1. Muslims all over the world are physically attacking, killing, threatening people. This is a problem. We don't WANT the US to end up like France and Germany and Sweden etc.
2. ILLEGAL aliens are a very big problem. Again, we don't WANT the US to end up like the EU. The same EU that is NOW strengthening THEIR immigration laws, which I posted about last week.
3. Separating children from parents that aren't their parents, SHOULD be a policy. Do you REALLY think those kids will be raised to obey the law by pretend parent who are actively breaking the laws of this country.


I don't know wtf your problem is with the US and with it's laws, but until you legally migrate to this country and become a citizen, one has to seriously wonder why the fuck you care so deeply for those people trying to mess up this country, by breaking it's laws, threatening, attacking and killing it's citizens.

Quote (thesnipa @ 14 Nov 2019 16:33)

literally no one said that.

you've quoted me like 3 times this week saying my statements need context and nuance. i do the same and you go hysterical and strawman me?

ok.

dude shouldn't be in the whitehouse, but he's a villains henchman, not a super villain.

the muslim ban is a perfect illustration, started off a purely xenophobic, instantly challenged in court, downgraded to a regional ban, then clearly it was watered down even more to appease geopolitical frienimies.

and given the context that some are calling for him to resign, just how serious of a threat he is as a white nationalist is very relevant. he's one worth watching, not taking behind the shed.

Quote (fender @ Nov 14 2019 10:58am)

i simply don't agree with the suggestion that him not loudly shouting 'all non-white people must die' (watch excrements quote that part in the future to suggest i'm racist) or physically attacking them on sight, somehow makes him a less dangerous, a 'light' white nationalist.
if anything, those are the really dangerous ones, secretly spreading that toxic ideology, while (barely) hiding their true beliefs in public - to a degree that gives the hacks and the cowards just enough wiggle room to claim 'he's just conservative, anything else is a smear', when in reality even the dumbest white nationalist is able to clearly identify him as an ally.

fair enough, you didn't outright say 'it's fine' - but the whole 'he might be bad, but he's no super villain' defence is a distinction without a difference, especially if you agree that someone like that should NOT be in the white house.
reminds me of that back and forth i had with blackx a couple of days ago, where when confronted with trump's racist actions and beliefs, he conceded that trump is someone who 'repeatedly acts in a racist manner', but just wouldn't call him a racist, suggesting that the fact that trump has other beliefs and motivations as well somehow protected him against that label...