Lawl.

When the House investigates matters as important as this, it does so in a closed setting. It happened during the Russia investigations, it's happening now. After all the necessary people are spoken to, the transcripts will be released, and there will be public hearings.

It's amusing that people like yourself, who pretend to not support the president, buy into the political chaff his propagandists throw up in an attempt to distract from the revelations leaking out. Weeks from now the closed depositions will be over and this stupid talking point will be moot because we'll be able to see the transcripts and witnesses in public. And after the articles of impeachment are brought, the president will have the ability to defend himself in the senate trial.

It's really bizarre, isn't it? On one hand, liberals seem to be the greatest long term threat to Libertarian beliefs so I can understand supporting scorched Earth tactics against Democrats. It's an enemy of my enemy is my friend mentality. On the other hand though, there's some pretty serious abuses occurring under this administration. One would think that Libertarians would do anything and everything to limit that power. I really don't understand their POV.

Lets take a measurement of who is more compromised in their bias here:

1. Someone who didn't vote for Trump and has major issues with some of Trumps actions, but evaluates issues on a case by case basis.

vs

2. An unmanned former republican voter who supported Hillary and worships establishment government, who is desperate to remove Trump from office and go back to establishment statism as usual.


Calling truthful and reasonable points and facts "chaff' and propaganda does not erase their merit.

Openly calling for MORE transparency is not a distraction from 'revelations' leaking out.

Democrats and the deep state have wanted Trump out the entire time.
You should be embarrassed for going along with 4 years of lies, just like you should be embarrassed about your support for the Iraq war and neocon warmongering, unconstitutional government spying, and other crimes.



This is not a 'dont investigate the president or limit his powers" stance.

This a a "Hey this bad actor constantly lying about confidential information in a 4 year conquest to remove the president being at the head of secret impeachment hearings and selectively leaking information while barring other congressmen from seeing whats going on is sketchy as fuck. Congressmen wanting to see what the fuck is going on are not the problem here. "

Secret government hearings and constant phony investigations to purge political outsiders is not a path to libertarianism or limited and non-corrupt government in general.

"Adam Schiff isn't allowing Reps. to see the transcripts from this impeachment inquiry, but selectively leaks small portions to the press. This process should be transparent to the American people. It should be a fair process w/ clear rules, just like past impeachment inquiries."

- Rep. Dan Crenshaw

https://twitter.com/RepDanCrenshaw/status/1187090938759393280

video included

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Oct 23 2019 02:06pm

I lol'd irl. Not sure if you meant to be funny, but thanks for that.

The rules are clear because they were written by Republicans lol. This all stems from Benghazi... Again, ALL OF THIS WILL BE PUBLIC AND TRANSPARENT. It HAS to be because impeachment NEEDS PUBLIC SUPPORT. You and I both know that public hearings are a fucking joke because it's a bunch of twats trying to score political points. Right now, you have staffers who are doing all the heavy lifting in order to build a case. That's a GOOD thing.



Dude, a substantial amount of GOP congressmen are on those committees. Several dozen of them actually. Get out of here with this "trying to see what's going on" bullshit. They can read the fucking news like the rest of us. The congressmen (and their staff), who are on the appropriate committees, are free to ask questions and interrogate witnesses. As I said before, all of this is going to be PUBLIC in the near future so you should drop this talking point. There's really no merit to it as this is standard procedure.

And look, I agree that Schiff is a bad actor. However, I believe that Trump's actions are FAR worse and he has FAR more power. Let's get our priorities straight here, okay?

GOP congressmen are just like the idiots who want the cops to release a body cam day after a shooting. NOW NOW NOW THEY'RE COVERING IT UP, I NEED THE VIDEO NOW. can't just wait 2 days and see it on the news.

That's a pretty good analogy. Honestly, they are just pissed that they can't come up with a viable strategy for defending Trump and these actions are just a desperate attempt of shaping the narrative. They know what he did was wrong and they are desperately trying to save his presidency. But hey, maybe they shouldn't have hitched their wagon to a corrupt dumb ass.

They are the "Libertarian wing of the Republican Party". They aren't real libertarians. The libertarians here think that the Bill of Rights are perks for white guys.



I love the least insightful person who posts on these boards criticizing someone else's insight and growth as a person lol.

This post was edited by Skinned on Oct 23 2019 02:28pm

People are individuals and one Republican having access doesn't mean they all have the information or should be content with secret hearings led by hyper-partisan corrupt liars that you agree are bad actors.

Congressmen should just read the news and bow down to schiff and whatever he feels like lying about that day?
An absolutely ridiculous statement. beyond parody.

1. Its not all going to be public. These are secret hearings and they will release what they want from them, especially if no one pushes back.
2. Years of lies and shams affect public opinion and have implications beyond whether impeachment is formally passed or not. Democrats are leaking what they want to build a narrative.
3. There doesn't have to be great public support. The idea that the government is the people or enacts the will of the people is a myth.
4. The whims of the public don't determine right and wrong or truth and fiction.
5. Some of the big requests are congressmen wanting access to transcripts, not necessarily public hearings.
6. Some people using public hearings to grandstand isn't a particularly compelling case for secret impeachment hearings congressmen dont have access to.


Yes. Opposing secret impeachment hearings led by a bad actor who repeatedly lies about confidential information to undermine and remove the Republican president is a much bigger priority to address than procedure violations by congressmen trying to see whats going on who are barred from accessing important information.

Priorities.