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Oct 14 2019 03:01pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 14 Oct 2019 21:23)
Wow, really didnt take long until we arrive at "b-b-but they were race-traitors//anti-semitic jews contributing to their own oppression, they deserved it".



there are countless incidents where antifa violently attacked innocent people simply because they perceived them as being racist/fascist/oppressors, or because they disagreed with their views. this incidence here might be a cherry-picked one, but I just brought it up again because it was such a perfect counterexample to Ink's overly general statement regarding antifa and protecting minorities.


what a predictably scummy attempt to play the "race-traitor" card just because my fictional scenario debunked your simplistic logic fail.

you keep dodging my question: was he targeted because he was jewish? do you think this example proves that antifa is anti-semitic, or whatever it is you're suggesting?
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Oct 14 2019 03:03pm
Yall pathetic losers and it gives me great lulz.
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Oct 14 2019 03:07pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ 14 Oct 2019 22:46)
Right wingers: "Jews are taking over the world. They own our media and our banks and there is a conspiracy to enslave all others under Jewish hegemony. Jews push liberalism on society via their control of mass media in order to corrupt it. Jews will not replace us!"


Only a few fringe right-wing extremists subscribe to those old-school antisemitic tropes.
I would say that 95% or more of all "right-wingers" (which is a much larger group than "right-wing extremists") dont agree with that shit.



Quote (thesnipa @ 14 Oct 2019 22:11)
in general i'd like to see migrant success calculated versus native success, my guess is that it's higher for migrants in all racial categories.


Well, the real dividing line is certainly the type of immigrant, not his/her ethnicity. Legal vs illegal, merit-based (H-1/2B) vs humanitarian (refugee), and so on.
Lumping these groups together along racial lines gives a highly inaccurate picture.

Tbh, I'm not so sure that migrants are more successful than natives in all racial categories. When it comes to hispanics and asians, it should be fairly close.

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Oct 14 2019 03:08pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 14 2019 02:07pm)
Only a few fringe right-wing extremists subscribe to those old-school antisemitic tropes.
I would say that 95% or more of all "right-wingers" (which is a much larger group than "right-wing extremists") dont agree with that shit.





Well, the real dividing line is certainly the type of immigrant, not his/her ethnicity. Legal vs illegal, merit-based (H-1/2B) vs humanitarian (refugee), and so on.
Lumping these groups together along racial lines gives a highly inaccurate picture.

Tbh, I'm not so sure that migrants are more successful than natives in all racial categories. When it comes to hispanics and asians, it should be fairly close.


I think you're incredibly naive then.
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Oct 14 2019 03:14pm
Quote (fender @ 14 Oct 2019 23:01)
what a predictably scummy attempt to play the "race-traitor" card just because my fictional scenario debunked your simplistic logic fail.


your fictional scenario makes little sense since it hinges on the presence of jews who contribute significantly to a systematic oppression of other jews (without being forced into it by horrific circumstances). so yes, your scenario requires the presence of "anti-semitic jews" or "race-traitors" to work.
hence, your fictional scenario does not debunk my argument. if anything, it debunks itself.


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you keep dodging my question: was he targeted because he was jewish? do you think this example proves that antifa is anti-semitic, or whatever it is you're suggesting?


you keep refusing to understand that he doesnt need to have been targetted by antifa because he was jewish for this incidence to run against Ink's claim that "they [antifa] stand as a wall against incursion into minority spaces by racist thugs".
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Oct 14 2019 03:16pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 14 2019 04:07pm)
Only a few fringe right-wing extremists subscribe to those old-school antisemitic tropes.
I would say that 95% or more of all "right-wingers" (which is a much larger group than "right-wing extremists") dont agree with that shit.

Well, the real dividing line is certainly the type of immigrant, not his/her ethnicity. Legal vs illegal, merit-based (H-1/2B) vs humanitarian (refugee), and so on.
Lumping these groups together along racial lines gives a highly inaccurate picture.

Tbh, I'm not so sure that migrants are more successful than natives in all racial categories. When it comes to hispanics and asians, it should be fairly close.


Depends what time period you are looking at. After WWII the U.S. government made a concerted effort to import successful Asians and also created a ton of propaganda to promote the "smart Asian" stereotype. So when you look at success from different areas, also understand that during certain points in history certain governments actively worked to increase the stats for certain groups.
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Oct 14 2019 03:19pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ 14 Oct 2019 23:08)
I think you're incredibly naive then.


I think our disagreement comes from a different interpretation of what "right-winger" means. For me, this term contains everything from the right-most edge of "center-right" through literal nazis. Which is about 60-80% of the political spectrum to the right of the middle.
For you, the term right-winger seems to mean "hard racists and literal nazis".

Well, now that I'm thinking about it, that's probably the real crux: that you indeed consider everything to the right of the center to be racist or fascist.
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Oct 14 2019 03:22pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 14 2019 02:19pm)
I think our disagreement comes from a different interpretation of what "right-winger" means. For me, this term contains everything from the right-most edge of "center-right" through literal nazis. Which is about 60-80% of the political spectrum to the right of the middle.
For you, the term right-winger seems to mean "hard racists and literal nazis".

Well, now that I'm thinking about it, that's probably the real crux: that you indeed consider everything to the right of the center to be racist or fascist.



Correct, which is why I don't associate with anyone right of center, from Democrats to Republicans to literal Nazis.
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Oct 14 2019 03:23pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ 14 Oct 2019 23:22)
Correct, which is why I don't associate with anyone right of center, from Democrats to Republicans to literal Nazis.


Out of curiosity: did you consider Mitt Romney a racist or fascist?
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Oct 14 2019 03:25pm
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ok i lol’d
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