Okay so what is step one? I'd like to try this for realsies.

Step 1:

Examine your current knowledge about gender-based stereotypes from the culture of your upbringing. Are certain things associated with men and others women? Are some things associated as being masculine and feminine? What is the value placed on people with respect to these stereotypes, especially in terms of those individuals who don't "fit" the stereotypes?

Once you have some thoughts on these, ask yourself: Where do these stereotypes come from? Are they socially constructed? A result of innate biological differences? A combination of both?

Afterwards, independent of whatever conclusion you arrive to for the previous question, ask yourself: What personal value do I ascribe to these stereotypes? If, for instance, I know that the culture of my upbringing, stereotypically, believes that X is for men, do I also believe that X is for men? If so, why? And further, what are your thoughts on X for women then?

Why is the first part relevant if the "conclusion" of the exercise disregards it?

How are you going to combat cultural gender-based stereotypes/biases if you don't first explore the depth and breadth of their existence?

I prefer to consider myself compost

I'm a trash pile half full kind of guy

I don't think it disregarded it, it is that the result of the second process is informed by the first process. The goal is learning about one self within the social context.

In my culture the men are expected to be able to tolerate physical and emotional pain while showing less signs of duress while experiencing this pain than women experiencing the same experience. More value is collectively placed on men who have traits of "toughness" than men who do not show these traits. If men do not show these desirable traits then men who have them will use language to treat them poorly and also feminize them, as in saying "don't be a little bitch". Things men do in this circumstance is hazing for initiation rights and mutual respect. Any women coming into this culture trying to be regarded in the same light as a man would they have to try twice as hard, do twice as much, to compensate for their sex. Historically speaking, this is true for racial outsiders as well.

A lot of this is from how my parents treated me, and what was socially expected. Boys don't cry. Crying is only acceptable under emotional duress, not mental or physical. Crying for those things is effeminate. You can cry when your mom dies.

As for the etiology of these feelings, social vs biological, vs psychological...I would like to say at this time that people are not Chinese buffets and we don't get to pick and choose. Widow said this about religion and doctrine, but I'm gonna borrow it here. For example, in a vacuum if we regarded the people of North Korea and South Korea by looking at them in this timespace we would think they were completely different due to the fact that North Korean citizens are 6 inches shorter and 50 lbs lighter on average...this is due to having many successive generations survive on an average of 800 calories a day as opposed to 1400 average in South Korea....this calorie intake is due to social systems at play, so in this instance the social directs the biological development but most people believe a priori that biological comes before/is prior to/takes precedence over social facts, when actually these sort of things cannot be compartmentalized so easily. It is a mix of cultural expectations due to roles that were earlier defined by biological comparative strengths that technology has largely mitigated over time, because we use pistols and not broadswords for law enforcement. This may be reductionist to physicality though. I bet the NK people have some serious cultural trauma stored up and repressed.

This post was edited by Skinned on Sep 20 2019 10:02pm

"I have seen other men disrespecting women and done nothing.
This makes me trash."
-> Some would argue that is the correct thing to do. A women doesn't need a man coming in to save them from a little disrespect. #TrashEitherWay?

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Sep 21 2019 12:01am

This here is a good example. This dude should be put in a garbage bag and hauled off together with the rest of the trash on his truck.
How dare he. That poor woman

If you're not Captain Savahoe you are trash.

I'd wager if North Korea stopped being an autocracy , it would be 40-50 years where you would see similar stuff compared to South Korea. Koreans are made of something else. Forged out of being between 2 empires that have been trying to fuck them over for hundreds and hundreds of years.