It isn't a 'natural process', it is something happens, that doesn't mean it is inherent.

Same principle applies to the nature you probably shouldn't have kids you can't care for but that's life.

And then someone with a bit of common sense can bring in statistics of the negative consequences of fatherlessnes/single parent households vs a 2 parent home having a second child only to see that comparing one to the other is like comparing a category 5 hurricane to some morning mist.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 14 2019 01:59pm

Second child has a first child as an example and to spoil them as well... How is that even a comparison.

The "natural" part is that a woman will have a child because she know she can raise him/her even if it's more difficult.
AND
A father will left/quit a woman pregnant/with a child because he know that she can "survive".

The "something" is: we are in 21th century, in developed countries... Which give equals rights in-between men and women.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Sep 14 2019 02:09pm

That isn't natural. That would be arguing that any decision made while making choices against the merits and demerits has natural results. This could be economical results, political, technological, etc. Those aren't natural, they aren't a part of nature, they are created.

Sure, if a mother make a choice to have a child because she thinks she can take care of it single that is her choice, and she might do a good job, but that doesn't mean that it is natural. Just the fact that there are negative developmental aspects when there isn't two parents screams how unnatural this is.

Equal rights between men and woman have nothing to do with whether a child develops better with one or two parents. I'm sorry, but if that is your argument basis then you are purely ethos, which isn't very convincing when we use statistics.

This post was edited by ChrisKz on Sep 14 2019 02:11pm

duff delivers another 5* thread

The phenomena is naturally appearing and i clearly explained why. I'm sorry but you have no arguments here. You are just unhappy of reality and in fact you presented absolutely no solution to resolve the "problem".

/e i may add you are completely ignoring the point that :
A father will left/quit a woman pregnant/with a child because he know that she can "survive"."
Why did you skipped this ?

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Sep 14 2019 02:35pm

The point he's making is that situations which can increase X doesn't necessarily increase X, and we should work towards decreasing X directly.

There's a ton of things that might cause a child to have poor healthcare, like having uneducated parents, or having low income parents, or having single parents, but if you want to make sure a child has good healthcare the best way to solve it is to make healthcare more generally accessible. You can skip all the in-betweens and just solve the larger societal problem of limited access to healthcare directly. Now, solving problems like access to healthcare isn't easy, but it's far easier than trying to put band-aids on fifty other things that can potentially decrease healthcare access.

This makes no sense to my response.

Single parenting/fatherlessness is a massive variable that has a verifiable negative impact on a laundry list of things ranging from economic to behavioral. No amount of skirting around this elephant in the room is going to change things. If this was a regression fatherlessness would be the variable that correlates with everything and has most impact. As an example, naturally the child will have lower resources available in a single parent household considering the mother has to take care of the child which diminishes her ability to work versus a household with 2 parents in which one parent can put in the work hours while the other can take care of the child and maybe also earn.

Everything else stems from this. Quality of healthcare, quality of education, diet choice/availability and on and on. If you want a child to have good healthcare it's much more important that the one parent isn't running around trying to work, provide a roof over their head, go to every appointment, etc. Those things self-fix at least to some extent when there's two parents in the picture.