Quote (Knoppie @ Sep 13 2019 01:58pm)

Using cancer risks is a really bad way to compare a new product to an old one.

It not being healthy short term is similar, the long term is yet to be seen. We do need more research.





And that's interesting to track its potential for it.

Quote (thesnipa @ 13 Sep 2019 21:24)

i have seen zero proof showing the short term health effects of cigarette smoking and vaping are even in the same ballpark. and yet you just keep saying vaping is only "slightly better". vaping doesnt have anywhere near the damage to lungs, vaping doesnt cause heart disease, vaping doesnt cause lung disease (that we know of), or cancer. across the board it's categorically less risky to your health. its not even close. tar is the cause of 90% of damage by smoking, vaping doesnt have tar.

when i use the term "vaping" i dont mean black market shit from china. i mean stuff like Juul pods. water vapor, flavoring, nicotine.

if you can't demonstrate that vaping is risky to health why does it matter if more kids are doing it? addiction isn't a health risk unless what you're addicted to is a health risk.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 13 2019 02:27pm)

At this stage you are doing a serious mistake, creating a generation of vaporizer users/addicts "culture" is super dangerous, read the few posts above.
Plus each time i see one vaping he's or she's inhale fucking tons of it, it's blatantly a threat lol.

Quote (thesnipa @ 13 Sep 2019 21:38)

killing a generation of cig smokers to birth a generation of vape smokers seems like a trade i'll take. i live in reality, so i dont think we can kill both simultaneously.

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 13 2019 09:24pm)

i have seen zero proof showing the short term health effects of cigarette smoking and vaping are even in the same ballpark. and yet you just keep saying vaping is only "slightly better". vaping doesnt have anywhere near the damage to lungs, vaping doesnt cause heart disease, vaping doesnt cause lung disease (that we know of), or cancer. across the board it's categorically less risky to your health. its not even close. tar is the cause of 90% of damage by smoking, vaping doesnt have tar.

when i use the term "vaping" i dont mean black market shit from china. i mean stuff like Juul pods. water vapor, flavoring, nicotine.

if you can't demonstrate that vaping is risky to health why does it matter if more kids are doing it? addiction isn't a health risk unless what you're addicted to is a health risk.

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Now the bad news. Nicotine in e-cigarettes may have several negative health effects. Chronic nicotine exposure may lead to insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes, although this risk may be offset by the well-known appetite suppressant effects of nicotine. Inhaled nicotine increases heart rate and blood pressure. Nicotine is highly addictive in its own right, and it may lead to changes in the brain that increase the risk of addiction to other drugs, especially in young people. Nicotine may also impair brain development in adolescents, leading to attention deficit disorder and poor impulse control. These potential harms of nicotine are particularly worrisome in view of soaring rates of e-cigarette use in U.S. teenagers.

The nicotine in e-liquid may also be a household hazard. Many e-liquids have candy and fruit flavoring and packaging that makes them attractive to children. Cases of nicotine poisoning from e-liquid have skyrocketed, with accidental ingestions of e-liquid by kids rising by more than 1,000%.

Flavored e-cigarettes may pose another health threat. They often contain a chemical compound called diacetyl, which is associated with a rare lung disease called bronchiolitis obliterans that causes permanent damage to the bronchioles (the tiniest airways in the lungs).

Propylene glycol and glycerol, the major components of e-liquids, are not thought to be dangerous on their own. However, they may decompose when heated by the vaporizer, and be transformed into toxic compounds such as formaldehyde. This is more common with newer vaporizers that use high wattages.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 13 2019 02:43pm)

Did you see Knoppie's graph ? This is more than a decade and half of quitting cigs addiction which is already gone.

Quote (Knoppie @ Sep 13 2019 02:49pm)

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/electronic-cigarettes-good-news-bad-news-2016072510010

and now you've got some proof it's in the same ballpark for youngsters

Now I'll agree that there are nuances to be made when commercializing or distributing a replacement drug. Tbh I'd like the e-sig to be a tool to stop smoking, instead of being one to start smoking ;) even if the long term health problems turn out to be not as bad, as expected.

Quote (thesnipa @ 13 Sep 2019 21:57)

no it isn't. cig use is still on the decline.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 13 2019 03:12pm)

"beat around the bush"

Because you think vaping addiction is not a threat and you don't want to discuss arguments which have been posted in this thread.

Quote (thesnipa @ 13 Sep 2019 22:15)

i've been doing nothing but discussing the arguments presented.

a slight risk yes. a threat worth losing sleep over, nah. and far far far far far better than smoking cigs? absolutely.