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#31
Aug 11 2019 08:46am
Quote (Beowulf @ 11 Aug 2019 16:38)
There is not point answering your questions because you do not listen, you talk at people not to them.

Multiple times you came at me with NRA talking points even though multiple times you were told I've never had anything to do with the NRA

Multiple times you've lumped me in with your perceived right wing gun nuts and right wing talking points even though I'm clearly and consistently on the left and have told you multiple times I do not own firearms and I support the right and have no affection for guns or any weapons.

Multiple times you've said that I dont care about those people that were killed despite years and years of me being an openly bleeding heart liberal that does show respect for life and respect for those lost and have a very consistent anti violence outside of self defense posting record.

There is a reason I'm not one of the people that goes back and forth with you regularly because you do not have any interest in listening to people but more importantly in being honest with the views you are repeatedly told by the people you're arguing with


1) laziest excuse ever. the simple truth is that you can't support those claims because they lack substance.

2) you don't have to be personally affiliated with the nra in order to use the same talking points, what kind of 'logic' is that?

3) see 2

4) i have told you that i believe you. if you could stop those deaths without changing your stance on guns you would - and i think that is true for the vast majority of gun nuts. the point is that you don't care enough to question your stance on guns. see the difference?

5) nice projection and hypocrisy. as if you had moved an inch on this - despite the frequency and scale of mass shootings...

This post was edited by fender on Aug 11 2019 08:47am
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#32
Aug 11 2019 08:49am
Quote (fender @ Aug 11 2019 09:07am)
you can mislabel it, justifying it with your usual slippery slope 'logic', but that still doesn't answer my questions:

- how do you think guns 'protect the poor'? reality suggests otherwise.
- how would gun registration be a 'direct assault' on mental health progress?

looks like some simplistic talking points with no substance behind them to be honest...


How would gun registration prevent mass shootings?
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#33
Aug 11 2019 08:53am
Note in assault we have "ault"
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#34
Aug 11 2019 08:56am
Quote (Santara @ Aug 11 2019 07:49am)
How would gun registration prevent mass shootings?


Doesn't
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#35
Aug 11 2019 09:40am
It's a great idea in concept, but the devil is in the details. If we could implement a registration system that didn't decrease the quantity of citizen-owned guns in the immediate future, then there would be no good argument against it.

As a Constitution-thumper, I am on board with any system that can coexist with the 2nd amendment's vision of a "well regulated militia". As long a system ensures that many guns are in the capable of hands of citizens that are not government agents, then I'd say that it can be consistent with to that vision. The existence of a bunch of registration paperwork isn't mutually exclusive with the 2nd amendment.
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#36
Aug 11 2019 09:54am
Quote (Skinned @ Aug 11 2019 02:29pm)
Helicopter parenting is one reason..
Nurture Shock is an excellent book whose theme is "we've been too nice to kids and its backfired" as far as setting expectations super high and telling them how special they are all the time etc.

Parents are one agent of socialization.

These freedoms because a problem when mixed with individuals who were heavily socialized on the internet.

Think young individuals with access to hardcore pornography and actual videos of people dying. I don't want to do the "in my day" thing but in my day we had to bury playboys on the woods and take turns looking at it, and if you got a faces of death tape that shot was shocking and impossible to get through. These things affect people negatively....if either of us started consuming these regularly we would become worse people this is a fact, and we are developed brains with static personalities.... now compare us to the developing brain still forging those neural pathways and still developing a personality....that stuff is now built right in. This is a major factor in the etiology of this.

Also television writing is lazy and relies on sex for humor all the time. Even shows about nerds are misogynist....if you're a awkward autistic guy and television tells you that you should have a hot chick anyway but in RL Stacy if fucking Chad you're going to internalize that shit watching it day in and day out.

This problem will not be solved any time soon be is nobody is actually thinking about it in any meaningful way, in terms of public discourse.

Psyche and society are similar and we have been using some pretty maladaptive coping skills and defense mechanisms. I think a dressing agents of socialization is going to be the solution. That and dealing with the humans who are already broken.

Conservatives here may take me saying agents of socialization
and compare it eroding tradition and the homosex agenda; they are wrong. There have always been gay people and it has never been a problem for society. Only a fool would say that this stuff is a teleological consequence of that.


I gotta say I mostly agree with this. Interaction online is so much more sterile than offline. In person 90%+ of people would be disgusted with seeing a porn shoot or extreme violence. You'd feel complicit in what's happening. The internet removes that human connection. It's a great tool, and has made the world better in many ways. But human interaction is not something you can replace with a screen.

I've dated online a bit before I found my gf, and it was such a drag. Way easier to just talk to someone IRL.
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#37
Aug 11 2019 10:00am
Quote (Santara @ Aug 11 2019 10:49am)
How would gun registration prevent mass shootings?


How does automobile registration prevent car accident deaths?
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#38
Aug 11 2019 10:04am
Quote (Kayeto @ Aug 11 2019 11:00am)
How does automobile registration prevent car accident deaths?


Accident versus intentional damage
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#39
Aug 11 2019 10:42am
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Accident versus intentional damage


That isn't even an attempt to answer the question.

How does automobile registration prevent car accident deaths?
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Aug 11 2019 10:48am
Quote (Kayeto @ Aug 11 2019 11:42am)
That isn't even an attempt to answer the question.

How does automobile registration prevent car accident deaths?


Youre comparing accidental deaths by car to intentional damage by a gun user.

The real question would be "how does automobile regostration prevent people from running down pedestrians"
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