And we die in one too

I mean even if you solve that issue of mental health ambiguities for legal gun ownership, you've still got the sticky mess of trying to give the public access to a database full of potentially compromising information on every individual in the country, whether they are actually buying a gun or not. That's the problem with taking it out of the gun stores with licensed dealers and a paper trail and giving it to every retard on the internet so that folks on craigslist can use it. How do you balance that? And once its public access, how do you secure the data from attackers?

You folks are all making good arguments, but I think you're ignoring the numbers. In a country of 326 million people, you are going to have gun deaths, no matter what the gun or mental health laws.
When comparing the US to other countries, you need to compare to other countries with a similar population.













Then, you have to compare similar sized countries murder rates, not just murders by gun. You can kill someone with a baseball bat, just as easily as with a gun. And before you say you can kill more faster with a gun, I'd counter with something like poison or disease.

I fully endorse that statement. It's been "2nd Amendment supporters" who have been gun-grabbing from minorities for far too long and it needs to stop.

When only violent Trumpists are armed, they are able to perpetuate mass shootings without challenge: https://www.newsweek.com/gilroy-shooter-white-supremacist-manifesto-instagram-1451586

Every black and brown man in this nation should be open carrying on the streets as a warming to conservative whites not to try starting any more racist shit.

Are you serious?

Just making sure that you know, but almost 90 percent of gun crime is gang correlated. You know this, right?

This post was edited by ChrisKz on Jul 29 2019 01:05pm

why would you compare gun deaths based on population as an integer, without looking at density or GDP as relevant factors? Indonesia has a similar population but 4x the density.

Yes, I am serious.

I firmly believe in an armed populace.

But for a very long time, the 2nd Amendment has only been fully extended to whites. And it's mostly conservative governments who implement gun confiscations and escalate state violence against armed minorities. Open carrying as a black man is a near death sentence in this country; not because we are opposed to people owning guns, we are opposed to black men having an equal share of power. A well-armed minority population is a counter-balance to the systemic racism inherent in our current system.

I think that this is more a cultural phenomenon than anything else. Mentally ill people hear about other mentally ill people doing these things. They idolize them, guns aren't hard to get, things like this happen.

The fact is that guns will always be not hard to get here, so addressing the root of the problem instead of a bandaide placebo is the better treatment. People just argue gun debate.



Black men can easily get open carry as well. The fact is that many of them do carry, probably a higher percent than whites, but not open carry. It is in their saggy pants or in their cars, especially if they are in an area heavily infested by gang culture. There are whites like this too, but I feel confident, even without looking up statistics, that this is the case.

It is simply part of the culture, and it has been since gangs have been a thing. It was a thing with the mafia too when it was more prominent. Gangs all over the world do this, but I'm not sure about gang gun crime in other places.

Also, I'm pretty sure this is a case of white on white gun crime so idk why this is brought into the context, unless I'm wrong? Or at the very least, not race targeted.

This post was edited by ChrisKz on Jul 29 2019 01:19pm

I fully agree with blacks openly/concealed carrying. When telling some irl liberlol friends this, they told me I'm ignorant because cops kill black people with guns.

You’re both right of course. The cops kill black men with guns because they don’t like seeing equality in the streets. Cops exist to defend the property rights of the rich. Armed minorities threaten the status quo. Poor armed whites have generally been stupid enough to be duped into defending the entrenched wealthy whites. So they aren’t targeted (unless they belong to a leftist organization).

Their solution obviously does nothing to correct inequality. That’s a major difference between liberals and leftists. The left actually cares about liberation and egalite. Liberals’ concern only extends to the protection of private and corporate property.