Quote (Thor123422 @ 27 Jul 2019 19:31)
Honestly just speaks to the fact that we should eliminate gender as a consideration in all things. Let males do whatever they want and let females do whatever they want and let intersex individuals do whatever they want, and remove all consideration for gender but leave the biological categories.
Agreed.
Quote (TransTankie @ 27 Jul 2019 19:40)
The biological categories are relatively arbitrary, sex is a bimodal classification based on groupings of attributes determined as either masculine or feminine. I.e. primary and secondary sexual characteristics. Which attributes meet the standard to be included in these categories is also relatively arbitrary. Is gender identity a sexual characteristic? I would argue so.
The whole 'biologically male/female' thing is an attempt to invalidate trans identities. Bodies can undergo significant change. Overlooked attributes may be relevant to sex classification.
Sex is a social construct my duder.
The real world distribution of various attributes like testosterone and estrogen, height, percentage of bodyweight consisting of muscle, thickness of the skin, amount of subcutaneous tissue fat and many more does follow a bimodal distribution.
Treating sex and gender as binary concepts was born of out convenience. It is perfectly fine to point out that there are cases where the gender self-identification does not match the biological sex, or that there are intersexual individuals which biologically cant be assigned unambiguously to either male or female sex, or that there are gender identities which are non-binary.
But none of this justifies ridiculous claims like "sex is just a social construct, it's all a fluid range on a continuous scale, there is no bimodality in the distribution". Neither does any of this justify granting extraordinary privileges, entitlements and legal protections to these individuals.
Quote (TransTankie @ 27 Jul 2019 20:31)
I disagree - in both cases.
If they had reason to believe Yaniv was behaving inappropriately then they could refuse service. If they were aware that Yaniv was a sexual predator before then they could refuse. But refusing based on trans identity? Nope.
You sign up to do the job u do the job. You don't get to discriminate in the public space.
These employees had signed up for the job of waxing vaginas. It is not justifiable that they should be obliged to suddenly wax a dick just because its owner says "I got a dick, but I am a woman nonetheless". For the beauty worker, the gender identity of her customer doesnt matter - what matters is whether the body part in front of her is a dick or a vagina, period.
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 27 2019 01:21pm