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Jul 24 2019 10:12am
Snipa going off the rails...
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Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 24 2019 12:09pm)
Do you make decisions on moral grounds alone?

if someone calls my wife a slut, slaps her ass, then spits in my face i should probably do something. if that guy is The Rock i wont tho.

my question is, how empty can your hands be hypothetically for you to say you wish the investigation wasn't done at all?

because what i'm gathering is that you think the gruel you've been served thusfar was well worth the cost. and that baffles me. it is a few sacrificed scapegoats and everything else has had no political or legal effect on trump or his inner circle.

at some point dont you just have to think the cost benefit analysis isnt worth it? are you still holding out hope that an obstruction charge or something on that level drops? or does this circus today finally resign you to the fact that no felony charges are coming for Trump or his inner circle?

i'm all for truth and righteousness when i think i can win. but i seem to pick my battles far more carefully than you have with regards to mueller. at some point its beating a dead horse, and all of the 'damning evidence' stuff turns to nothing but sour grapes.


Clearly we don't look at national security investigations in the same way.
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Jul 24 2019 10:30am
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Snipa going off the rails...


ive been consistent in the fact that it would find literally nothing the whole time. im not sure how people can still think it was the right call to do it.

as Santara said, this is the liberal's benghazi. a media circus on the tax payer's dime.

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Clearly we don't look at national security investigations in the same way.


oh that's what this was?

the report came up with "russians made some facebook groups" on national security. and 500 pages on paid off pornstars and angry Trump quotes.

i said from the start the purview of the investigation needed to be directly limited to national security for this very reason. instead they spent 10 mins on that and 3 years trying to build some obscure rico case for the media to convict trump with no real legal evidence that damns him in an impeachable way.

lets be honest, people thought that hiding just beneath the surface was election machine tampering, massive voter fraud, etc. all mastermind by the russians.

the truth is Hillary played the hare and the tortoise caught up because of Comey and her low energy effort in key states. no one could conceive of the win, so the tinfoil came out to explain it.

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Clearly we don't look at national security investigations in the same way.


a simple question, what realistic result of this investigation would have made america more safe?
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ive been consistent in the fact that it would find literally nothing the whole time. im not sure how people can still think it was the right call to do it.

as Santara, this is the liberal's benghazi. a media circus on the tax payer's dime.


I'm glad you've internalized the retarded takes from the Trump cult/anti-anti-Trump crew.

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oh that's what this was?

the report came up with "russians made some facebook groups" on national security. and 500 pages on paid off pornstars and angry Trump quotes.

i said from the start the purview of the investigation needed to be directly limited to national security for this very reason. instead they spent 10 mins on that and 3 years trying to build some obscure reco case for the media to convict trump with no real legal evidence that damns him in an impeachable way.

lets be honest, people thought that hiding just beneath the surface was election machine tampering, massive voter fraud, etc. all mastermind by the russians.

the truth is Hillary played the hare and the tortoise caught up because of Comey and her low energy effort in key states. no one could conceive of the win, so the tinfoil came out to explain it.


I don't know how we can discuss this issue if you aren't aware of the basic facts of the case.

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I'm glad you've internalized the retarded takes from the Trump cult/anti-anti-Trump crew.



I don't know how we can discuss this issue if you aren't aware of the basic facts of the case.


Ice mage and his tds needs a reality check.
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Quote (IceMage @ Jul 24 2019 11:44am)
I'm glad you've internalized the retarded takes from the Trump cult/anti-anti-Trump crew.



I don't know how we can discuss this issue if you aren't aware of the basic facts of the case.


ive read the entire report and have watched the whole circus this morning shot for shot.

dirty guy looks dirty, but not dirtier.

facts of the case:

1. Flynn downed
2. Manafort downed
3. Cohen downed
4. pack of Kremlin stooges downed
5. Trump said mean things
6. Trump JR not even bothered with
7. Trump tried to fudge with it but nothing that's legally gonna stick for obstruction


also stop using the R-word. it makes you sound both angry and childish.

what we're left with in reality is "well, we had good intentions at the time". the left made a monster but is left with all of the good intentions. once the Golem goes rogue it doesnt matter if it was made to fight off evil.

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ive read the entire report and have watched the whole circus this morning shot for shot.

dirty guy looks dirty, but not dirtier.

facts of the case:

1. Flynn downed
2. Manafort downed
3. Cohen downed
4. pack of Kremlin stooges downed
5. Trump said mean things
6. Trump JR not even bothered with
7. Trump tried to fudge with it but nothing that's legally gonna stick for obstruction


also stop using the R-word. it makes you sound both angry and childish.

what we're left with in reality is "well, we had good intentions at the time". the left made a monster but is left with all of the good intentions. once the Golem goes rogue it doesnt matter if it was made to fight off evil.


Cool story retard.
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Jul 24 2019 11:12am
Quote (IceMage @ Jul 24 2019 12:06pm)
Cool story retard.


You really struggle with this simple question of what realistic and productive national security results could have been achieved by this investigation
We're 3 years and a bajillion articles, interviews, subpoenas, talking heads, testimonies, etc into the Mueller investigation which has now been closed, and we've still not been presented with anything beyond what Goomshill@jsp was posting to a shitty video game forum a full 3 years ago, based on what was already public facts. And even I was willing to make the more relevant distinctions for national security of Russia's motive in this operation, something PBS ran an entire documentary about, the 2011 Hillary snafu -> Putin's payback.

Understanding the Russian motives at least is relevant, because it shows the dynamics of what caused this and how it could be avoided in the future. Our national security is predicated upon understanding geopolitical considerations like that.

Its pretty clear this didn't actually achieve anything for national security, but penis_hat is asking the more hypothetical question of what could it have achieved.
We already knew what happened and why. And instead of investigating that, which seems to have been an afterthought- and indeed with Mueller neglecting to follow up on potential Russian avenues of attack we don't know about like Mifsud and the Steele Dossier's origins- instead he spent all his time in a Beria-esque routine deliberating about process crimes and whether someone sneezed on him in an elevator and could be prosecuted for obstruction.

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